Multiengine Rating

That's the correct phraseology. Loose an engine and you'll descend to the
single engine service ceiling (density altitude). The Aztec is 6000 ft.
Plenty of MEA's out west that are higher than that.
Jim

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"RomeoMike" wrote

That was the PA 23-180, "Geronimo" conversion. I got my multi in one of
those
and later had a real engine out experience (right one) on a cross
country
with my family.
Fortunately, we were not in the mountains.

What was the approximate single engine service ceiling? (if that is the
right way to say it for multis)
--
Jim in NC

"Jim" wrote

That's the correct phraseology. Loose an engine and you'll descend to the
single engine service ceiling (density altitude). The Aztec is 6000 ft.
Plenty of MEA's out west that are higher than that.

Since this is usenet and nitpicking is all the rage... the above is not
quite correct. Service ceiling is the altitude at which you can no longer
climb faster than something like 100 fpm. If you're above the service
ceiling when you lose the engine you will probably be able to maintain
something somewhat higher, like maybe 6005 feet...

BDS

Ahh... your nit is picked correctly Absolute single engine ceiling would
be more correct.

Another nit would be that those numbers are created by test pilots and then
"altered" by salesman. For instance the service ceiling for the Aztec is
around 15,000 feet... yeah right! I've had ours up to 13,000 at full gross,
and I tell you I had to step climb to get up that last 1000 feet, and it was
at no where near 100 fpm.
Jim

"BDS" wrote in message
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"Jim" wrote

That's the correct phraseology. Loose an engine and you'll descend to
the
single engine service ceiling (density altitude). The Aztec is 6000 ft.
Plenty of MEA's out west that are higher than that.

Since this is usenet and nitpicking is all the rage... the above is not
quite correct. Service ceiling is the altitude at which you can no longer
climb faster than something like 100 fpm. If you're above the service
ceiling when you lose the engine you will probably be able to maintain
something somewhat higher, like maybe 6005 feet...

BDS

That's the correct phraseology. Loose an engine and you'll descend to the
single engine service ceiling (density altitude). The Aztec is 6000 ft.
Plenty of MEA's out west that are higher than that.

Since this is usenet and nitpicking is all the rage... the above is not
quite correct. Service ceiling is the altitude at which you can no longer
climb faster than something like 100 fpm. If you're above the service
ceiling when you lose the engine you will probably be able to maintain
something somewhat higher, like maybe 6005 feet...

.... and if you actually "loose" an engine, you'll be able to maintain an
even higher altitude, as you won't have the weight and drag of that
engine any more.

Jose
--
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"Jose" wrote in message
et...
... and if you actually "loose" an engine, you'll be able to maintain an
even higher altitude, as you won't have the weight and drag of that
engine any more.

Pitty the guy that that engine "finds".
Imagine the insurance claims the airplane owner AND the engine finder would
have.
"Yep, I lost an engine"
"Sorry, that's not covered under your policy"
"No, I actually LOST the engine, it's GONE."
hmmmm
Jim

Jim wrote:
Pitty the guy that that engine "finds".
Imagine the insurance claims the airplane owner AND the engine finder would
have.
"Yep, I lost an engine"
"Sorry, that's not covered under your policy"
"No, I actually LOST the engine, it's GONE."
hmmmm



Or the maintenance yellow sheet:

Discrepancy: Lost left engine.
Action Taken: Left engine found on left wing.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

Or:

Discrepancy: Lost left engine.
Action Taken: Left engine located off airport in neighbors bedroom.

Jim wrote:
"Jose" wrote in message
et...
... and if you actually "loose" an engine, you'll be able to maintain an
even higher altitude, as you won't have the weight and drag of that
engine any more.

Pitty the guy that that engine "finds".
Imagine the insurance claims the airplane owner AND the engine finder would
have.
"Yep, I lost an engine"
"Sorry, that's not covered under your policy"
"No, I actually LOST the engine, it's GONE."
hmmmm
Jim


A friend of mine used to fly Ford Tri-motors. He told me that once a
prop separated in flight on an outboard engine. Before they could shut
the engine down it broke free from the mounts and fell off. Fortunately
this was not that catastrophic in the tri-motor and they flew it back
to their home field (close by).

The story brought up this mental image to me of a the Classified
add..." Lost: one aircraft engine in the vicinity of..."

Then next Image I had was my friend standing in someone's living room
looking at an engine embedded into the floor say "Nope, not my engine".


Turns out the engine actually landing in a plowed field and they
retrieved it.

Brian

50 fpm for multiengine with an engine inop.


"BDS" wrote in message
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|
| "Jim" wrote
|
| That's the correct phraseology. Loose an engine and
you'll descend to the
| single engine service ceiling (density altitude). The
Aztec is 6000 ft.
| Plenty of MEA's out west that are higher than that.
|
| Since this is usenet and nitpicking is all the rage... the
above is not
| quite correct. Service ceiling is the altitude at which
you can no longer
| climb faster than something like 100 fpm. If you're above
the service
| ceiling when you lose the engine you will probably be able
to maintain
| something somewhat higher, like maybe 6005 feet...
|
| BDS
|
|

FAR 135 requires that gross weight be adjusted so the SE SC
is at or higher than the MEA or the aircraft must be flown
under the single-engine IFR rules with VFR descent always
possible.



"Jim" wrote in message
...
| That's the correct phraseology. Loose an engine and
you'll descend to the
| single engine service ceiling (density altitude). The
Aztec is 6000 ft.
| Plenty of MEA's out west that are higher than that.
| Jim
|
| "Morgans" wrote in message
| ...
|
| "RomeoMike" wrote
|
| That was the PA 23-180, "Geronimo" conversion. I got
my multi in one of
| those
| and later had a real engine out experience (right one)
on a cross
| country
| with my family.
| Fortunately, we were not in the mountains.
|
| What was the approximate single engine service ceiling?
(if that is the
| right way to say it for multis)
| --
| Jim in NC
|
|
|
|