Cherokee 235 vs Trinidad vs Comanche

Sour grapes?
Dave
M35

Jay Honeck wrote:
Beech just announced they are lowering prices on the Bonanza and Baron.
Now a typically outfitted glass panel Bo has a suggested retail of
$574K down from $667K. The Baron goes from $1.186 million to $1.046
million.

That's absurd. What kind of a dolt would pay that kind of money for
what amounts to a brand-new antique? You can buy a perfectly good
used biz-jet for those prices!

It would certainly take an unusual combination of money and gullibility
-- which (I suppose) explains why Beech sells so few of them.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

dave wrote:
Sour grapes?
Dave
M35

Jay Honeck wrote:

Beech just announced they are lowering prices on the Bonanza and Baron.
Now a typically outfitted glass panel Bo has a suggested retail of
$574K down from $667K. The Baron goes from $1.186 million to $1.046
million.


That's absurd. What kind of a dolt would pay that kind of money for
what amounts to a brand-new antique? You can buy a perfectly good
used biz-jet for those prices!

It would certainly take an unusual combination of money and gullibility
-- which (I suppose) explains why Beech sells so few of them.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination"


No, I'm guessing just a lack of money and gullibility. :-)

Matt

No, I'm guessing just a lack of money and gullibility. :-)

Well, gullibility anyway.

Let's see...I can either buy a 60-year old single engine prop plane
design, or a nice little biz jet.

Gee, which should I get?

D'oh!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Well since the single engine prop is a lot cheaper to operate than the
biz jet, I'd have to opt for the prop if I wanted to fly it very often.
If I didn't fly very often then I probably shouldn't consider the biz
jet, which would require an additional type rating anyway.

I was drooling over some of the L-39s that were coming on the market so
cheaply a while back, but someone (I believe it was Jose) pointed out
how expensive they were to maintain and operate. What good does a
go-fast do me if I can't afford to fly it?



-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Honeck ]
Posted At: Saturday, January 20, 2007 2:18 PM
Posted To: rec.aviation.owning
Conversation: Cherokee 235 vs Trinidad vs Comanche
Subject: Cherokee 235 vs Trinidad vs Comanche

No, I'm guessing just a lack of money and gullibility. :-)

Well, gullibility anyway.

Let's see...I can either buy a 60-year old single engine prop plane
design, or a nice little biz jet.

Gee, which should I get?

D'oh!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

This is so true. At my airport there are two L-39s parked right next
to my Grumman. I can honestly say those L-39s fly less total hours in
the past two years than what I typically fly in a month.

If I were the owners of those L-39s, I would be nervous taking the
plane out if I let them sit for that long. Who knows what would break
and make a big smoking hole on the ground.


I was drooling over some of the L-39s that were coming on the market so
cheaply a while back, but someone (I believe it was Jose) pointed out
how expensive they were to maintain and operate. What good does a
go-fast do me if I can't afford to fly it?

Jay Honeck wrote:
Let's see...I can either buy a 60-year old single engine prop plane
design, or a nice little biz jet.

Gee, which should I get?

After shopping for insurance, I suspect you would be getting the 60-year
old single engine prop plane design.

--
Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Hood River, OR

Jay Honeck wrote:
No, I'm guessing just a lack of money and gullibility. :-)


Well, gullibility anyway.

Let's see...I can either buy a 60-year old single engine prop plane
design, or a nice little biz jet.

Gee, which should I get?

D'oh!

Well, it isn't quite that simple. The purchase cost is one thing, but
operational costs live with you forever. Check the insurance costs for
a jet vs. a Bonanza, check the recurrent training requirements for a jet
vs. the single, check the fuel costs, check .... you get the picture.
I'll bet the operating costs for the Jet are at least 4X more than the
Bonanza and maybe even higher than that. Sometimes you pay more upfront
to save later. Just as with most hybrid cars costing more to purchase,
but paying you back (hopefully) with lower operating costs.

Matt

Matt Whiting wrote:


I'll bet the operating costs for the Jet are at least 4X more than the
Bonanza and maybe even higher than that.


25 times more at a bare minimum.



Sometimes you pay more upfront
to save later. Just as with most hybrid cars costing more to purchase,
but paying you back (hopefully) with lower operating costs.

This is never, ever the case with a jet. A jet can save you time but
will always cost more in money.

Newps wrote:



Matt Whiting wrote:


I'll bet the operating costs for the Jet are at least 4X more than the
Bonanza and maybe even higher than that.



25 times more at a bare minimum.



Sometimes you pay more upfront

to save later. Just as with most hybrid cars costing more to
purchase, but paying you back (hopefully) with lower operating costs.


This is never, ever the case with a jet. A jet can save you time but
will always cost more in money.

That was my point. Even though a new Bo may cost more than a used Jet,
the Bo's lower operating costs will quickly swamp any purchase price
differential.

Matt

I'm sure everyone here has his fantasy of what to get if winning the
lotto. If a few million bucks suddenly show up in my bank account, the
most I'll get would be a single engine turboprop, a PC-12 or something
like that. Even in the world of turbine, it's hard to beat the cost
efficiency of single engine prop.

This is never, ever the case with a jet. A jet can save you time but
will always cost more in money.