Frequency of convictions for lying on FAA medical form

Consider what you're hiding? A prescription for a banned
FAA drug means you're being treated by a doctor and the
condition requires treatment and the drug may have
side-effects. You get to fly with the worry that you'll be
caught or die from the disease or drug. Maybe it is a
sedative and your judgment will be effected further and
you'll fly into freezing rain or a thunderstorm.

Odds are the only people you'll kill will be family and
friends of yours, so go ahead.



"Sally Grozmano" wrote in message
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| Grumman-581 wrote
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| On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:49:58 +0000, in
| , Sally
Grozmano wrote:
| It seems to be "common knowledge" that many pilots do
lie, but I never
| hear of actual convictions.
|
| There's a fine line between not volunteering additional
information and
| actually lying... Or perhaps it's just not volunteering
information that
| the FAA has no way of finding out anyway... evil-grin
|
|
| Once one signs the bit that says, "I have completed this
to the best of my
| knowledge" (or whatever) it becomes lying. But anyway....
|
| I know that the FAA can actually find out about some
omissions, e.g. DUIs
| (because you also sign the bit that allows them to search
the driver
| registry) and the recent case where people were also
claiming SSI benefits.
| I'm just not so sure on stuff like prescriptions. If they
are controlled
| substances, they have to be on record with the DEA or
something, no? Non-
| controlled substances are known by one's insurance
company, but I am pretty
| sure those records are private.

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
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Consider what you're hiding? A prescription for a banned
FAA drug means you're being treated by a doctor and the
condition requires treatment and the drug may have
side-effects. You get to fly with the worry that you'll be
caught or die from the disease or drug. Maybe it is a
sedative and your judgment will be effected further and
you'll fly into freezing rain or a thunderstorm.

Odds are the only people you'll kill will be family and
friends of yours, so go ahead.



"Sally Grozmano" wrote in message
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| Grumman-581 wrote
in
|
news |
| On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:49:58 +0000, in
| , Sally
Grozmano wrote:
| It seems to be "common knowledge" that many pilots do
lie, but I never
| hear of actual convictions.

Y'all see you are talking to someone with a Washington DC IP address, right?

Allen

"Allen" wrote in
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"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
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Consider what you're hiding? A prescription for a banned
FAA drug means you're being treated by a doctor and the
condition requires treatment and the drug may have
side-effects. You get to fly with the worry that you'll be
caught or die from the disease or drug. Maybe it is a
sedative and your judgment will be effected further and
you'll fly into freezing rain or a thunderstorm.

Odds are the only people you'll kill will be family and
friends of yours, so go ahead.



Y'all see you are talking to someone with a Washington DC IP address,
right?

Allen


Implication being that I am some sort of government agent, I take it? I
know the FAA is inefficient, but paying someone to catch a pilot on Usenet
is a stretch even for them.

And to the previous poster, I acknowledge your safety concerns. There have
been enough flame wars regarding the justification of particular banned
prescriptions that I won't rehash them here.

"Sally Grozmano" wrote in message
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"Allen" wrote in
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"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
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Consider what you're hiding? A prescription for a banned
FAA drug means you're being treated by a doctor and the
condition requires treatment and the drug may have
side-effects. You get to fly with the worry that you'll be
caught or die from the disease or drug. Maybe it is a
sedative and your judgment will be effected further and
you'll fly into freezing rain or a thunderstorm.

Odds are the only people you'll kill will be family and
friends of yours, so go ahead.



Y'all see you are talking to someone with a Washington DC IP address,
right?

Allen


Implication being that I am some sort of government agent, I take it? I
know the FAA is inefficient, but paying someone to catch a pilot on Usenet
is a stretch even for them.

And to the previous poster, I acknowledge your safety concerns. There have
been enough flame wars regarding the justification of particular banned
prescriptions that I won't rehash them here.

What type of plane do you fly?

Allen

p.s. I do see hat same IP address was registered by Road Runner in Texas at
one time.

"Allen" wrote in
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What type of plane do you fly?

Allen


Not flying, yet. I would really love to start, though, so am weighing my
options. I'm also looking into the sport pilot certification (I used to fly
ultralights), but there are not a lot of places around me that rent out
SLAs, so I would worry about not keeping current. The funny thing is, if I
*do* get my PPL, chances are I would be flying around in a Cessna or
something, and I cannot imagine I would do *that* much more damage in a
Cessna than in a plane that just comes in under the SLA limits. But you
only need a driver's license to get your sport pilot license. Granted, the
sport pilot certificate by default does not allow flight in B/C/D airspace,
but I would get those endorsements.

-Sally

"Sally Grozmano" wrote in message
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"Allen" wrote in
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What type of plane do you fly?

Allen


Not flying, yet. I would really love to start, though, so am weighing my
options. I'm also looking into the sport pilot certification (I used to fly
ultralights), but there are not a lot of places around me that rent out
SLAs, so I would worry about not keeping current. The funny thing is, if I
*do* get my PPL, chances are I would be flying around in a Cessna or
something, and I cannot imagine I would do *that* much more damage in a
Cessna than in a plane that just comes in under the SLA limits. But you
only need a driver's license to get your sport pilot license.

Provided you've never had a medical denied or revoked...

Granted, the sport pilot certificate by default does not allow flight in
B/C/D airspace, but I would get those endorsements.

-Sally

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ

Who cares. People break rules and laws if they want. On a
medical application you're required to report your medical
conditions and physician visits and treatment. The rules
further require that pilots self-police themselves when ill,
tired or just feel like crap.

Yet, there have been F14 Naval pilots crashing on landing on
the carrier. The investigation showed proscribe drugs. [OTC
decongestants]

The FAA has some stupid rules, some are medical and some
deal with pilot performed maintenance, among others. But
use common sense, safety is the goal, do what is safe and in
the spirit of the rules and you'll probably be OK with the
law.



"Allen" wrote in message
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| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| ...
| Consider what you're hiding? A prescription for a
banned
| FAA drug means you're being treated by a doctor and the
| condition requires treatment and the drug may have
| side-effects. You get to fly with the worry that you'll
be
| caught or die from the disease or drug. Maybe it is a
| sedative and your judgment will be effected further and
| you'll fly into freezing rain or a thunderstorm.
|
| Odds are the only people you'll kill will be family and
| friends of yours, so go ahead.
|
|
|
| "Sally Grozmano" wrote in message
| . ..
| | Grumman-581
wrote
| in
| |
|
news | |
| | On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:49:58 +0000, in
| | ,
Sally
| Grozmano wrote:
| | It seems to be "common knowledge" that many pilots
do
| lie, but I never
| | hear of actual convictions.
|
| Y'all see you are talking to someone with a Washington DC
IP address, right?
|
| Allen
|
|

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
...
But use common sense, safety is the goal, do what is safe and in
the spirit of the rules and you'll probably be OK with the
law.

heh heh, yah, ok

"JM" == Jim Macklin writes:
JM But use
JM common sense, safety is the goal, do what is safe and in the
JM spirit of the rules and you'll probably be OK with the law.

Uh, no. Try inadvertently busting a popup VIP TFR--zero flight safety
issues--and you'll see what I mean.
--
"If you go flying back through time, and you see somebody else flying
forward into the future, it's probably best to avoid eye contact.
- Jack Handey