Boundaries between Approach/Departure and Center

Mxsmanic wrote:
Robert M. Gary writes:

That's only an issue in the sim world.

No, it's an issue in the real world, too, if you are flying VFR.

In all my years of flying VFR and IFR I've never cared if my initial
call up was answered by approach or center. I'm not sure why you are
telling me its important when my experience shows it isn't important.

-Robert, CFII

Ronnie wrote:

I don't know, but I'm afarid we'll get there one day
as the reaches of the federal government continues
to grow. There is a control tower being built right
now at my local airport.

What's the reason?

Ronnie

Beats me.

That's Class D airspace.

I should have been more specific: why isn't all airspace that isn't
Class A, B, C, or D made into Class E airspace? That would make random
IFR operations easier and would impose no communications or control
requirement on VFR aircraft, although VFR weather minimums below 10,000
are affected.

Robert M. Gary wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote:

What determines the boundaries between airspace managed by an en-route
ATC center and an approach or departure center? I don't see any clear
indication of which is which on sectionals. There are boxes saying
who to contact for approach, but nothing that shows where the handoffs
between terminal control and center usually occur. Is there a general
rule?


Why do you care if you're talking to approach or center?

-Robert, CFII


It affects which mic he uses at his desktop.

Robert M. Gary wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote:

Robert M. Gary writes:


That's only an issue in the sim world.

No, it's an issue in the real world, too, if you are flying VFR.


In all my years of flying VFR and IFR I've never cared if my initial
call up was answered by approach or center. I'm not sure why you are
telling me its important when my experience shows it isn't important.

-Robert, CFII

When you're IFR unless someone makes a mistake you are told who to
contact on a frequency handoff. You may not know who it is until it
happens; like who cares?

Newps wrote in news:
:

It's not an issue. IFR or VFR. A real pilot knows this. This
information is in many books. Start reading chief.

He has no reason to read as long as people keep feeding this troll :-(

Allen

When you're IFR unless someone makes a mistake you are told who to
contact on a frequency handoff. You may not know who it is until it
happens; like who cares?- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -

Even during a handoff I'll sometimes forget what the agency is. I don't
think ATC is offended if I call them approach or center.

-Robert

On 01/23/07 15:26, Robert M. Gary wrote:

When you're IFR unless someone makes a mistake you are told who to
contact on a frequency handoff. You may not know who it is until it
happens; like who cares?- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -

Even during a handoff I'll sometimes forget what the agency is. I don't
think ATC is offended if I call them approach or center.

-Robert


In fact, while monitoring Oakland Center during a recent flight, I heard
someone call-up by saying "NorCal Approach..." and the center controller
handled the call without even mentioning it.

However, the Center controllers and the approach/departure controllers
use different frequencies out here, so this wasn't a case of the pilot
not knowing whom to call or who he was calling.


--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

Mark Hansen wrote:
In fact, while monitoring Oakland Center during a recent flight, I heard
someone call-up by saying "NorCal Approach..." and the center controller
handled the call without even mentioning it.

On the other hand, FSS seems to care -- probably because they're often
called from the common frequency.

The other day, I kept trying to call Millville FSS, and they kept not
answering. After I finally remembered that Millville was closed and I
needed to call Williamsport instead, they answered right away. They
were probably waiting to see how long it would take me to realize my
mistake...

.... Alan
--
Alan Gerber
PP-ASEL
gerber AT panix DOT com

-Even during a handoff I'll sometimes forget what the agency is. I
don't
think ATC is offended if I call them approach or center.


I've been rather huffily corrected around Chicago if I use "approach"
when I should use "center". They haven't gone to the point of shooting
me down yet, though :-)

Sam Spade writes:

I should have been more specific: why isn't all airspace that isn't
Class A, B, C, or D made into Class E airspace?

That is practically the case already in much of the U.S.

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