Safety pilot "flight time"

On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:58:32 -0500, bsalai wrote:

Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 07:05:16 -0800, Mark Hansen
wrote:

But ... and I hadn't considered this until now... you would still log the
entire flight time as "total flight time" even though the amount of time
logged under PIC, SIC or both is less than the total.

That's what I thought I had written.
Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

Are you sure about logging the second in command time?

YES



61.51 says:

...
(f) Logging second-in-command time. A person may log second-in-command
flight time only for that flight time during which that person:
(1) Is qualified in accordance with the second-in-command requirements
of Sec. 61.55 of this part, and occupies a crewmember station in an
aircraft that requires more than one pilot by the aircraft's type
certificate; or
(2) Holds the appropriate category, class, and instrument rating (if an
instrument rating is required for the flight) for the aircraft being
flown, and more than one pilot is required under the type certification
of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is being
conducted.

In both cases, it seems to require that the time be in an aircraft that
requires more than one pilot by the aircraft's type certificate.

That isn't the case in any of the aircraft I fly as safety pilot, so,
I'd say if you are not PIC, you can't log the time as SIC. Maybe you can
log it as something else?

Brad

Reread 61.51(f)(2) carefully: "...more than one pilot is required under
the type certification of the aircraft ***or the regulations under which
the flight is being conducted***.

91.109(b)(1) is the regulation that *requires* a safety pilot when the
pilot flying is operating the aircraft in simulated instrument flight.

Hence "the regulations under which the flight is being conducted" requires
more than one pilot.
Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:58:32 -0500, bsalai wrote:

Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 07:05:16 -0800, Mark Hansen
wrote:

But ... and I hadn't considered this until now... you would still log the
entire flight time as "total flight time" even though the amount of time
logged under PIC, SIC or both is less than the total.
That's what I thought I had written.
Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)
Are you sure about logging the second in command time?

YES


61.51 says:

...
(f) Logging second-in-command time. A person may log second-in-command
flight time only for that flight time during which that person:
(1) Is qualified in accordance with the second-in-command requirements
of Sec. 61.55 of this part, and occupies a crewmember station in an
aircraft that requires more than one pilot by the aircraft's type
certificate; or
(2) Holds the appropriate category, class, and instrument rating (if an
instrument rating is required for the flight) for the aircraft being
flown, and more than one pilot is required under the type certification
of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is being
conducted.

In both cases, it seems to require that the time be in an aircraft that
requires more than one pilot by the aircraft's type certificate.

That isn't the case in any of the aircraft I fly as safety pilot, so,
I'd say if you are not PIC, you can't log the time as SIC. Maybe you can
log it as something else?

Brad

Reread 61.51(f)(2) carefully: "...more than one pilot is required under
the type certification of the aircraft ***or the regulations under which
the flight is being conducted***.

91.109(b)(1) is the regulation that *requires* a safety pilot when the
pilot flying is operating the aircraft in simulated instrument flight.

Hence "the regulations under which the flight is being conducted" requires
more than one pilot.
Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

Absolutely, thanks.

Brad