Stop the noise

Dave Stadt wrote:

The departure procedures to the east are absurd and
dangerous. Ought to be a law against such nonsense.

There's a complainer that lives off the western end of the runway at 47N. They
initiated a procedure to try to placate her. Every aircraft was expected to make a 45
degree left turn about 100 yards from the end of the runway. About a year after that
went into effect, a Cherokee stalled immediately after turning and pancaked into a
golf course, killing both occupants. They're back to straight out departures now.

George Patterson
Treason is ne'er successful, Sir; what then be the reason? Why, if treason
be successful, Sir, then none dare call it treason.

47N is one (#16 out of 32) of the airports I'll fly into this summer on my
4,500nm odyssey, of course theres no mention of any special procedures
on my printed out AOPA kneeboard chart for the airport.
Then again, so is BED (#12), where the pilots being sued are based.
Hope during this trip I don't do something that is forbidden locally
but not known beyond the local pilots. Nearly all the 'violations'
at our airport are by pilots not based here, they have no knowledge
of our voluntary noise abatement procedure. They still get a
nastygram in the mail though.
Chris



"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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Dave Stadt wrote:

The departure procedures to the east are absurd and
dangerous. Ought to be a law against such nonsense.

There's a complainer that lives off the western end of the runway at 47N.
They
initiated a procedure to try to placate her. Every aircraft was expected
to make a 45
degree left turn about 100 yards from the end of the runway. About a year
after that
went into effect, a Cherokee stalled immediately after turning and
pancaked into a
golf course, killing both occupants. They're back to straight out
departures now.

George Patterson
Treason is ne'er successful, Sir; what then be the reason? Why, if
treason
be successful, Sir, then none dare call it treason.

SeeAndAvoid wrote:

47N is one (#16 out of 32) of the airports I'll fly into this summer on my
4,500nm odyssey, of course theres no mention of any special procedures
on my printed out AOPA kneeboard chart for the airport.

AFAIK, there are no special procedures there now. John Price teaches there, though,
and he can provide the most current info.

George Patterson
Treason is ne'er successful, Sir; what then be the reason? Why, if treason
be successful, Sir, then none dare call it treason.

Hope during this trip I don't do something that is forbidden locally
but not known beyond the local pilots.

I hope you'll report on this very subject, which is a whole lot more
interesting than gallons pumped, hours flown, etc!

I suspect that most airports have their peculiarities. At mine, for
example, there's a nuclear plant to the SSE. The runway is 02/20 with
the prevailing winds favoring a landing from the north. The ocean is
on the east. Most of the locals fly all 45s from the west, using a
midfield or lower crossover if we have to get on the downwind for 20.

(Did I really write that paragraph? It seems very confusing to me,
though the procedure is second nature


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"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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Dave Stadt wrote:

The departure procedures to the east are absurd and
dangerous. Ought to be a law against such nonsense.

There's a complainer that lives off the western end of the runway at 47N.
They
initiated a procedure to try to placate her. Every aircraft was expected
to make a 45
degree left turn about 100 yards from the end of the runway. About a year
after that
went into effect, a Cherokee stalled immediately after turning and
pancaked into a
golf course, killing both occupants. They're back to straight out
departures now.

Does the lady in question know the seriousness of what she initiated?

Paul

Paul Sengupta wrote:

Does the lady in question know the seriousness of what she initiated?

I have no idea. There are at least two neighbors there who would applaud the
reduction in the number of pilots using the airport while at the same time use the
crash as ammo to get the field closed. As far as I know, she is not one of them.

George Patterson
Treason is ne'er successful, Sir; what then be the reason? Why, if treason
be successful, Sir, then none dare call it treason.

G.R. Patterson III wrote:



Paul Sengupta wrote:

Does the lady in question know the seriousness of what she initiated?

I have no idea. There are at least two neighbors there who would applaud
the reduction in the number of pilots using the airport while at the same
time use the crash as ammo to get the field closed. As far as I know, she
is not one of them.

The person that killed the pilots should get an annual reminder. Her name
should also be made public.

- Andrew

Andrew Gideon wrote:

The person that killed the pilots should get an annual reminder. Her name
should also be made public.

The person who killed the pilots was one of the pilots. Complaining about noise
doesn't cause a stall.

George Patterson
Treason is ne'er successful, Sir; what then be the reason? Why, if treason
be successful, Sir, then none dare call it treason.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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Andrew Gideon wrote:

The person that killed the pilots should get an annual reminder. Her
name
should also be made public.

The person who killed the pilots was one of the pilots. Complaining about
noise
doesn't cause a stall.

No, but creating hazards by way of a tantrum certainly is a contributory
factor. In the same vein, setting highway traffic controls in a wanton
manner don't CAUSE accidents, but they certainly contribute.

G.R. Patterson III wrote:

Dave Stadt wrote:

The departure procedures to the east are absurd and
dangerous. Ought to be a law against such nonsense.


There's a complainer that lives off the western end of the runway at 47N. They
initiated a procedure to try to placate her. Every aircraft was expected to make a 45
degree left turn about 100 yards from the end of the runway. About a year after that
went into effect, a Cherokee stalled immediately after turning and pancaked into a
golf course, killing both occupants. They're back to straight out departures now.


I don't understand. That doesn't sound like an extraordinarily dangerous
maneuver to me (turning, that is. Stalling that close to the ground is obviously
dangerous).

Dave
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