Safety pilot "flight time"

I agree, except that you are not allowed to log PIC during the time the kid
sister is manipulating the controls, except perhaps under this legal
opinion.

I call baloney.

"Dave Butler" wrote in message
...

I agree, except that you are not allowed to log PIC during the time the
kid sister is manipulating the controls, except perhaps under this legal
opinion.

I call baloney.

You call what baloney?

Stan Prevost wrote:
"Dave Butler" wrote in message
...
I agree, except that you are not allowed to log PIC during the time the
kid sister is manipulating the controls, except perhaps under this legal
opinion.
I call baloney.

You call what baloney?

That one is not allowed to log PIC during the time the kid sister is
manipulating the controls.

On 01/30/07 07:36, Dave Butler wrote:
Stan Prevost wrote:
"Dave Butler" wrote in message
...
I agree, except that you are not allowed to log PIC during the time the
kid sister is manipulating the controls, except perhaps under this legal
opinion.
I call baloney.

You call what baloney?

That one is not allowed to log PIC during the time the kid sister is
manipulating the controls.

The regs are specific in this area, and I agree with Stan. Here they
a

(e) Logging pilot-in-command flight time.
(1) A sport, recreational, private, or commercial pilot may log
pilot-in-command time only for that flight time during which
that person

(i) Is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for
which the pilot is rated or has privileges;

(ii) Is the sole occupant of the aircraft; or

(iii) Except for a recreational pilot, is acting as pilot in command
of an aircraft on which more than one pilot is required under
the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under
which the flight is conducted.

When our Pilot is letting his kid sister operate the controls and fly the
airplane, which one of those three apply to the pilot? He's not the sole
manipulator of the controls, he's not the sole occupant, and the aircraft
does not require more than one pilot.

Now I would guess that every pilot in this situation is logging the time as
PIC, but the statement was that a strict interpretation of the regulations
do not allow it (except that now, the legal opinion provides a way, in that
it allows for an exception if the person operating the controls is not
"rated").


--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

"Mark Hansen" wrote in message
Now I would guess that every pilot in this situation is logging the time
as
PIC, but the statement was that a strict interpretation of the regulations
do not allow it (except that now, the legal opinion provides a way, in
that
it allows for an exception if the person operating the controls is not
"rated").



Maybe allows a way. The continued effectivity of the opinion would have to
be researched. As Dr. Rosenfeld said, it is old. Part 61 underwent a major
rewrite since that opinion, and the basis for the opinion may have changed.

On 01/30/07 07:58, Stan Prevost wrote:
"Mark Hansen" wrote in message
Now I would guess that every pilot in this situation is logging the time
as
PIC, but the statement was that a strict interpretation of the regulations
do not allow it (except that now, the legal opinion provides a way, in
that
it allows for an exception if the person operating the controls is not
"rated").



Maybe allows a way. The continued effectivity of the opinion would have to
be researched. As Dr. Rosenfeld said, it is old. Part 61 underwent a major
rewrite since that opinion, and the basis for the opinion may have changed.


I wonder if when they go about re-writing a section of the FAR if they
don't consider the legal opinions that were written for the section over
the years. I would think they may not want to incorporate the opinion
into the FAR simply because the opinion, as written, is doing its job.



--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

Mark Hansen wrote:

The regs are specific in this area, and I agree with Stan. Here they
a

I withdraw my baloney. Thanks for the correction. DGB