Spooky flights

Jay,

Try doing *that* in France, freedom-boy. You won't get far.


Well, I did try that. In fact, I do it often. And I do get far. All
across the country, in fact.

You don't know what you're talking about, country-boy. Sorry to burst
your bubble.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

On Thu, 1 Feb 2007 06:29:06 -0800, Jay Honeck wrote
(in article . com):

I gather you don't fly around D.C. much, and it doesn't sound like you
fly commercially very often.

You know, I've heard this a lot, since 9/11, and I'm tired of it. GA
flying in the DC area (other than in the prohibited areas around the
Mall) requires an ADIZ flight plan. You make a phone call, get a
squawk code, and go.


If *that* is what you mean by "we've lost all of our freedoms", I
submit that you are disconnected from reality. Of course, many other
posters here have already established this fact.

Jay -- he believes that driving a radio controlled truck will teach you how
to drive a real one. He said so over in the student news group.

He has a problem that is relatively rare, but not unknown. The poor fellow
has never flown an airplane because he cannot, not even with an instructor.
He is possibly in full-time care.


--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

I think the big diff is the TFR's. You never know when one is going to
spring up, so that means a call to Flight Service. Used to be I could
just get the urge to fly (kept the key to plane with me all the time),
go out to airport, and go! Can't do that anymore. Need to call FSS.
Small gripe I know, but it is a difference.

("Jay Masino" wrote)
At the hearing, they did NOT produce a radar picture, they would NOT
accept his ASRS form (claiming it didn't apply since he had a violation
two years ago), and said it was his responsibility to prove he was
actually out. Since the controller violated him, and the PIC doesn't have
recording capability on his GPS, there's no defense. He received a 120 day
suspension of his license because he did what the controller said to do.


The scary thing in America is asking 50 year olds for an ID before they can
buy beer. Everything flows from that.

Bureaucratic regulations should be but one of the tools used, when a person
in a decision making position is asked to pass ...(wait for it) ...judgment.

A healthy balance of common sense, emotion, facts, intent, rules, and
precedent should ALL be considered.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089079/
Eleni (1985)

There is a spooky scene in "Eleni" where the commies have established
themselves in a 1949 Greek village. They set up a table and start
questioning the locals. The problem is, the people behind the table are
locals also.

"Next!" ....(wait for it) ...."Bang!"

Nothing said in defense of an accused, no answers to questions asked, seem
to matter.

"Next!"

The villagers were killing each other.


Montblack
Ok, back to beer sales. What's easier to fake, an ID or ...me? Are you
really sure the person is over 21, based on a government issued card, or can
you see for yourself a 47 year old standing before you and decide he's over
21? The goal here is "to be (Absolutely) sure," so which one makes more
sense? I mean why then would you believe what you see on a card, and not
what you see standing in front of you?

Answer: Because one decision you own, it's yours, you made the call. The
other you can pass off as just following orders.

On Feb 1, 9:29 am, "Jay Honeck" wrote:
We still get up and go wherever we want, whenever we want, with
whomever we want. Mary and I can hop in my plane and fly to Wyoming
this afternoon, and no laws prevent it.

but then you'd be in Wyoming

Jay Honeck writes:

But this is far from validating MX's claim that America is no longer
"free". It's a relatively minor inconvenience that -- if it makes it
possible for us to still fly near Washington, D.C. -- seems like a
small price to pay.

Although you might not remember it, it used to be possible to fly near
Washington D.C. even without the Thought Police.

The ADIZ contributes nothing to security. Bad guys can be right in
the center of that zone in a couple minutes, long before they can be
intercepted. And if they want to make double sure that their plans
work, they can just carry something very scary on board--that way,
whether they aim for the White House lawn themselves or get blowed up
good by the Cavalry, the scary stuff gets spread all over.

Even prohibiting flight entirely in the area would not change this.

But simpler still is for the bad guys to just use a motor vehicle, for
which there are no restrictions.

--
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Well, I did try that. In fact, I do it often. And I do get far. All
across the country, in fact.

"All across the country"!?? What's that, the same as me flying from
here to my sister's house in Michigan? Big deal.

I guess I didn't make my point clear. I'm talking about flying *cross-
country* here -- not flying within the borders of some insignificantly
small European country.

To illustrate, to fly from here to Thermopolis, Wyoming is around 850
miles. In contrast, for you to fly from Paris, France to Berlin,
Germany, is a paltry 473 miles. Face it, your playground is a lot
smaller than ours, Thomas, and we can go *anywhere in ours, without so
much as turning on the radio.

Try flying VFR from Paris to Berlin -- without talking to *anyone*,
either on the phone or in the air -- and see how far you get. You
will quickly find out that America really is still the "Land of the
Free" when compared to your European Union, or anywhere else in the
world, for that matter.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Thu, 1 Feb 2007 01:14:01 -0700, "Jay Beckman"
wrote:


"Roger" wrote in message
.. .
On 31 Jan 2007 06:51:53 -0800, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

In the days when the U.S. was still a free country, I liked to go to
the airport just to watch aircraft take off and land. I even liked it
when I was very young: I would insist that my parents take me to the
noisy, open observation deck so that I could see planes take off and
land. And I liked the smell of kerosene because it reminded me of
airplanes.

I don't know what part of the country you lived in, but we still do
all of that today, right here in the USA. Any time we'd like!

Yup. We're in the process of building a picnic area..er...Have to
call it a "viewing area" or parks and recreation gets involved. We're
going to move the fence and create a large viewing area with picnic
tables.. or tables that look something like picnic tables, along with
stuff for the kids to climb on, as soon as the ground thaws and dries
out enough so we don't lose any trucks.
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Make sure they stick an industrial-grade speaker out there and relay the
CTAF.

Yup, UNICOM is clearly audible over the entire transient area as well
as the proposed "viewing" area.

A really big hit in places where I've seen/heard it done.

Jay B

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Jay Honeck writes:

I guess I didn't make my point clear. I'm talking about flying *cross-
country* here -- not flying within the borders of some insignificantly
small European country.

France is approximately the size of Texas.

Try flying VFR from Paris to Berlin -- without talking to *anyone*,
either on the phone or in the air -- and see how far you get. You
will quickly find out that America really is still the "Land of the
Free" when compared to your European Union, or anywhere else in the
world, for that matter.

Unless you want to set up a picnic area, apparently.

--
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ups.com...
...
As far as flying commercially goes, commercial aviation is booming.
Apparently no Americans have stopped flying commercially because of
all their "lost freedoms".
...
NOTHING has changed for 99.9% of Americans.
Nothing.

By "Americans" I assume you mean "Americans that are sufficiently 'western'
in apperance, accent and name"...


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