Emergency landing today Troutdale, OR

On Thu, 1 Feb 2007 06:01:24 -0800, Viperdoc wrote
(in article ):

Anthony is not a pilot, and wouldn't be expected to know that an RV is a
homebuilt.

It does sound somewhat reminiscent of the John Denver crash.



Not only is he not a pilot, he appears to suffer from a brain injury similar
to autism. He is incapable of admitting that he is wrong on anything, will
probably never fly an airplane even with an instructor, and has difficulty
separating reality from fiction. Over on the student news group he actually
claimed that you could use a radio controlled model truck to learn to drive a
real one.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:21:03 +0100, Mxsmanic wrote:

Ron Wanttaja writes:

Newly purchased homebuilt that was constructed by someone else. A Harmon
Rocket, I believe.

Still, the same principles apply: A new aircraft shouldn't have engine
trouble. If the pilot paid to have it constructed, the constructor
owes him something.

"Newly purchased," not "newly built." The airplane is registered as a 1997
model.

Ron Wanttaja

On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 00:01:56 +0100, Mxsmanic wrote:

Gig 601XL Builder writes:

You are making assuptions again that it was some problem with the aircraft
and not the operator or a third party like a fuel dealer.

Usually, when an engine starts sputtering, it's an engine problem.

And all causes of death are ultimately heart failure. Even perfect engines will
sputter if the operator runs out of gas, or the fuel dealer puts contaminated
fuel in the tanks. In the 2002-2004 timeframe, about 10% of Cessna 172
accidents were due to the aircraft running out of gas. That *gives* the engine
problems, but it isn't an engine problem.

Ron Wanttaja

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message news:
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Usually, when an engine starts sputtering, it's an engine problem. GA
aircraft are terribly prone to this, unfortunately.

Actually, the reliability of a properly maintained GA piston
engine is very high. The MTBF is of the order of 10**5 hours,
or to put it another way, were you to fly 8 hours/day for your
entire working life, you might not experience even one failure!

Statistically, and without any other information whatever,
a "sputtering engine" is far more likely to be caused by a fuel
problem -- mismanagement or contamination -- than an engine
problem.

Where did you get the impression that GA aircraft were
"terribly prone" to engine problems?

"Tony Cox" wrote:
Statistically, and without any other information whatever,
a "sputtering engine" is far more likely to be caused by a fuel
problem -- mismanagement or contamination -- than an engine
problem.

The failure of *other* parts can do the engine in, too ... in my case
the oil cooler split and dumped the oil. The engine itself was running
great...till it ran out of oil.

Tony Cox wrote:
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message news:
...
Usually, when an engine starts sputtering, it's an engine problem. GA
aircraft are terribly prone to this, unfortunately.



Where did you get the impression that GA aircraft were
"terribly prone" to engine problems?




That's called throwing a bomb. The only purpose he serves.

On Feb 2, 12:05 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Jim Logajan writes:
The aircraft was built in 1997. The reporter was wrong to call it a brand-
new plane. It was recently purchased by the latest owner.

Ah. That makes much more sense.

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It looks like you know more than I do.
In what way does this make more sence?

-Kees.

C J Campbell writes:

Not only is he not a pilot, he appears to suffer from a brain injury similar
to autism.

Autism is not a brain injury.

If one must be a licensed pilot discuss on aviation, then logically
one must be a licensed neurologist to discuss brain injuries, and a
licensed psychologist to discuss autism. Be careful what you wish
for, and if you wish to remain credible, it's important to practice
what you preach.

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Tony Cox writes:

Actually, the reliability of a properly maintained GA piston
engine is very high.

Then many GA engines must be very poorly maintained, because engine
problems figure prominently in GA accidents.

Where did you get the impression that GA aircraft were
"terribly prone" to engine problems?

From accident reports. When I compare GA reports to commercial
airliner reports, the prominence of engine problems as a contributing
factor in accidents is difficult to ignore.

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writes:

It looks like you know more than I do.
In what way does this make more sence?

A used aircraft would be more likely to have engine problems, unless
it were perfectly maintained, which is improbable. A new engine
should run perfectly for some reasonable time, irrespective of any
maintenance.

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