Scary Icing ATC tape

We are not sure it was ice. Maybe she got into a thunder storm and it
tossed her around. If the temperature she stated was true the ice would not
of melted.
I dont know. We got into some ice the other day. Not a good thing.
She did stay with the plane and never quit flying it.
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Aluckyguess writes:

The controller was so relaxed during the whole thing.

The controller was behaving like a professional, unlike the pilot.

The only reason she survived is that the ice started to melt--no
thanks to her, since she didn't seem to even be considering ice,
although the controller clearly had some good ideas.

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Mike 'Flyin'8' writes:

He is obviously not the one at 7500 ft with an out of contol aircraft.

I don't think that makes any difference. Some people are calm in
emergencies, others aren't.

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It's easy to criticize the behavior of another person, especially when you
were not placed in the same situation. How anyone would react under similar
circumstances could depend on a lot of factors.

On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 04:48:10 GMT, Nathan Young
wrote:


Was it just me, or was the controller excessively blase about the
Mayday call?


That thought crossed my mind, too. However, I realize that time
compression may have amplified my impression. On the other hand, he's
like the first cop on the scene who has to say "nothing to see here
folks", and try to keep / restore order, even though he KNOWS there's
a mess.

He did quickly provide her with the options of a nearby airport,
freezing level, and groundspeed data. I think his even tone was a
plus. I remember the recording on Jay's site of the guy flipping and
spinning a piston single in the clouds. The controller's calm was
staggering, and I think it helps the pilot.

The way I look at it, it's stressful for anybody to hear those
transmissions, including other pilots, who provided a PIREP and asked
later about her.

We only have the sound of voices to base our Monday morning
quarterbacking on. We can say what we want, and it's not the
controller who crashes, blah, blah, blah... I believe everyone on
that frequency had a raised pulse, and he's got to keep everything
else in order at the same time.

I did find it weird that when he pointed out more, possibly freezing,
rain ahead, and that she's flying @ in 0C air, she didn't seem that
interested.

Viperdoc writes:

It's easy to criticize the behavior of another person, especially when you
were not placed in the same situation. How anyone would react under similar
circumstances could depend on a lot of factors.

If the behavior gets that person killed, it probably merits a bit of
criticism.

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B A R R Y writes:

I did find it weird that when he pointed out more, possibly freezing,
rain ahead, and that she's flying @ in 0C air, she didn't seem that
interested.

She seemed a bit clueless. He mentions icing regularly and suggests
possible solutions, but she doesn't appear to hear him, and doesn't
seem to understand what the possible cause of her problem is herself.

I'm glad she wasn't carrying passengers.

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That's easy to say if you've never been in a similar situation.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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The controller was behaving like a professional, unlike the pilot.

The only reason she survived is that the ice started to melt--no
thanks to her, since she didn't seem to even be considering ice,
although the controller clearly had some good ideas.

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Listen more carefully/completely...

Viperdoc writes:

That's easy to say if you've never been in a similar situation.

It's also easy to say because it's true.

Regardless of what you might see in the movies, real astronauts,
military pilots, test pilots, and experienced commercial pilots--as
well as controllers--remain virtually emotionless even in very dire
circumstances. That's because they know they can't afford to panic.
There will be time for sweating and throwing up later, if necessary,
but the middle of an emergency is not the time.

People who panic and wail and scream and cry in an emergency make for
good drama, but they don't usually survive to talk about it.

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("Tony" wrote)
She got control of an airplane that sounded like it was a flying ice cube
in IMC -- I hope I can do as well in similiar circumstances.


It sounded like she got the hell scarred out of her. Autopilot issue? Ice?
Upper level wind sheer? Caravan icing issues? Two of the four? Even one of
the four...

She fought for control, maintained the altitude where she regained control,
disengaged the auto-pilot, quickly ran through dozens of (off radio) checks,
activated boots and heat, then descended below the freezing level.

It sounded to me like she was using 20% of her mental capacity to
communicate with ATC, while the other 80% was still darting about, searching
for answers - or making sure all was well.

Great job! Based on what I heard, I'd fly with her.


Montblack