Scary Icing ATC tape

Here is the same thing with subtitles


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW3mK...elated&search=


On 3 Feb 2007 19:45:21 -0800, "Jay Honeck" wrote:

Several years ago there was an mp3 circulated I guess in an attempt to show how
vauable ATC is. A guy was calling mayday because he was in a spin (apparently)
but survived after popping out of the bottom of the clouds.

I don't think many people would say the "pilot stayed so calm"

That would be this one, from Ft. Dodge, IA Flight Service station, via
our website:

http://alexisparkinn.com/photogaller...ightassist.mp3

Although most of it is an infomercial for Flight Service, the audio
portion of the out-of-control pilot should be required listening for
all new pilots.

GeorgeC

I thought so too, it wasn't clear he was offering much in the way of
attention to her situation, and I heard someone at the ATC laughing in
the background at one point. I think her decision to fly on after
regaining control (and composure) was preferrable to trying to land
immediately while still in shock.

Nathan Young wrote:

On 2 Feb 2007 13:51:44 -0800, "Jay Honeck" wrote:



This is the audio tape of a Fed Ex Caravan pilot who tangled with some
severe icing conditions.

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photoga...78L-Mayday.mp3

(It's a good-sized .mp3 file, so be patient while it downloads...)

This was given to me by our local FAA safety guy, to share with our
airport user's group. The stark terror in her voice is chilling, and
really points out how quickly things can go bad.



Was it just me, or was the controller excessively blase about the
Mayday call?





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For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

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The difference between a controller and a pilot is: If a pilot screws up,
the pilot dies. If the controller screws up, the pilot dies.

Or somethiing like that...

mike

"Aluckyguess" wrote in message
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The controller was so relaxed during the whole thing.

I didn't hear her talk about boots, but only listened once. As I recall,
Caravans do not have boots, and are not certificated for flight in known
ice. This is also true because those big struts also can pick up a lot of
ice. Prop de ice may be electric.

The only option for KI certification is through the installation of TKS,
which also protects the struts.

I would ignore any comments from Anthony about the pilot being scared- he
readily admits that he's afraid to fly in a real plane, and lives in an
imaginary world, where crises are addressed by pushing the reset button.

James Robinson writes:

Consider that the plane was probably cruising along on autopilot, when
the autopilot shut off and the plane went into a sudden dive. The pilot
would be shaken out of lethargy ...

The pilot's first mistake is to become lethargic. If she had nothing
else to do such that she was getting sleepy, then she could have spent
her time watching the behavior of the autopilot to see if it was
struggling to maintain the attitude of the aircraft. This is
especially true if autopilot movements are reflected in movements of
the controls.

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Owen Roberts writes:

One's attention and nerves should be
focused on flying the damn airplane, not their tone inflection while on the
radio.

In practice, one's tone on the radio is often a reflection of
attention and nerves while flying the airplane.

That's good. You listened to a tape where nobody panicked and therefore
stayed alive.

She panicked for a time. If the ice hadn't started to melt (not
necessarily through any action of her own), she'd probably be dead.

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"Viperdoc" wrote in message
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I didn't hear her talk about boots, but only listened once. As I recall,
Caravans do not have boots, and are not certificated for flight in known
ice. This is also true because those big struts also can pick up a lot of
ice. Prop de ice may be electric.

The only option for KI certification is through the installation of TKS,
which also protects the struts.

I would ignore any comments from Anthony about the pilot being scared- he
readily admits that he's afraid to fly in a real plane, and lives in an
imaginary world, where crises are addressed by pushing the reset button.

7:04 into the recording "It absolutly went into a dive without any warning.
And I turned on boots and, um, I turned on heat and, um, I think, I think
that may have done it, I think I'm OK now"

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Sounds to me like she stayed very flustered even after regaining control,
and was beginning to realize that she should have realized it was ice long
before she finally did something about it. She regained the composure in her
voice, but she was still clearly confused-at least not thinking clearly-for
quite a while.

Even after regaining control, she did not switch to 121.5. And with a high
wing and not being able to see any ice the boots might have missed, deciding
to continue for 2.5 hours was a foolish decision, especially with the
information provided by ATC that there was serious potential to pick up more
ice on the way.

JMO

mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan"
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 11:23 PM
Subject: Scary Icing ATC tape


I suppose hindsight is 20/20, but her comments of "I just dropped at
2000 feet per minute with uncommnaded rolls.... I have no idea what
happened..... let's continue 2.5 hours to Bangor" don't really seem to
make much sense to me.

If a plane did that and I didn't have any idea why, I'd lean towards
getting it on the ground ASAP.

I suppose at some point, she must have realized that the ice was
coming off...

--Dan

On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 10:07:21 -0500, "mike regish"
wrote:


Even after regaining control, she did not switch to 121.5.

Why should she? Staying where they were seemed to work fine for all
involved, and even generated a freezing level PIREP.

On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 06:41:01 -0600, "Viperdoc"
wrote:

I didn't hear her talk about boots, but only listened once. As I recall,
Caravans do not have boots, and are not certificated for flight in known
ice. This is also true because those big struts also can pick up a lot of
ice. Prop de ice may be electric.

The only option for KI certification is through the installation of TKS,
which also protects the struts.

Caravans have an option for known-icing systems with boots (perhaps an
STC?). We've installed some.