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"C.D. Damron" wrote in message
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I only check out ANN when somebody brings it up here on RAH. In almost
every case, I see a case a questionable journalism, within moments.

Check out this blurb that appeared on ANN:

"Risky Business": Adam's A-700 Flight To Oshkosh. Barely a week after
their
totally new bird with totally new engines takes flight, Adam Aircraft
decided to bring it to Oshkosh. While many consider the move gutsy
(including our staff, begrudgingly), we consider the move questionable.
Already under fire for safety practices and other concerns, what chance
this
aircraft has of seeing the light of day (certification and production
wise)
were put into jeopardy for what we consider a PR stunt that had
questionable
value and WAY too many risks...

Is this good journalism?

No, it's an editorial. It may surprise you, but there is a difference. If
you knew the background behind those comments, you'd probably reach the same
conclusion. Have you looked for the other side of the story?

Juan

"Juan E Jimenez" wrote in message
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No, it's an editorial. It may surprise you, but there is a difference. If
you knew the background behind those comments, you'd probably reach the
same
conclusion. Have you looked for the other side of the story?

Juan, it surprises me that a journalist doesn't know the definition of
journalism.

The craft of journalism is not limited to the presentation of news, it also
includes any material of current or popular interest, including editorials.

Editorials differ from news stories by not necessarily examining all sides
or opinions. However, it is considered good journalism for editorials to
adequately argue their point based on facts presented.

The editorial I cited was an example of bad journalism. It made a rather
dramatic point without presenting any facts or supporting arguments. The
"if you knew what I know" approach would be considered yellow journalism by
just about any objective standard.

Would you like another lesson in journalism?

"C.D. Damron" wrote in message
et...

Juan, it surprises me that a journalist doesn't know the definition of
journalism.

You didn't ask about a piece of news reported in ANN, you asked about an
editorial published in ANN.

Journalism: the profession or practice of reporting about, photographing, or
editing news stories for one of the mass media

Editorial: Of or pertaining to an editor; written or sanctioned by an
editor; as, editorial labors; editorial remarks.

As you can see, the two are quite different.

The craft of journalism is not limited to the presentation of news, it
also
includes any material of current or popular interest, including
editorials.

Editorials are pieces which express opinions, and they can come from many
different sources. There are editorials that express the views of the
publication, and there are guest editorials that express the views of people
who have standing in the community to talk about a specific issue.

Editorials differ from news stories by not necessarily examining all sides
or opinions. However, it is considered good journalism for editorials to
adequately argue their point based on facts presented.

No. Editorials don't necessarily have to _argue_ a point. They may simply
state an opinion based on an observation of something that happened in the
community. In this case, ANN is presenting its opinion on whether or not it
was a good idea for Adam to rush through a few hours of flight and fly to
OSH just because they want to show the a/c. ANN doesn't have to argue
anything to present this opinion. It can simply present it, as it did. Same
as my tiny editorial awarding Adam Aircraft the Steel Cojones Award for
bring the a/c to the show. (Oh, you missed that? hmm... interesting example
of selective reading) I didn't have to argue anything, period. I simply
stated it.

The editorial I cited was an example of bad journalism.

In your opinion... shrug

It made a rather dramatic point without presenting any facts or supporting
arguments.

It didn't have to. You don't agree, write a letter to ANN stating so.

The "if you knew what I know" approach would be considered yellow
journalism by
just about any objective standard.

ROFLMAO! HAHAHAHA! That's funny!!!! You obviously don't have the slightest
clue of the definition of yellow journalism. To suggest that ANN engaged in
yellow journalism related to an activity attended by _hundreds of thousands
of people_ is patently absurd and bordering on the prepubescent. Did you
even bother to do a www.google.com and a simple "what is yellow journalism"?
Let me give you a hint, kiddo. Yellow journalism is about reporting news
with an editorial bias in a situation where most people cannot verify the
facts of the piece. It is _not_ about publishing editorials C.D. Damron does
not agree with.

Would you like another lesson in journalism?

Another? chuckle Your entitled to your opinion. You're wrong, but you're
entitled to that as well.

Have fun!

Juan

Juan,

Your lack of education in the field of journalism is obvious and embracing
the narrowist definition of journalism you could find in your $1.99
dictionary is not surprising.

I've taken a couple of classes in journalism and honestly think that you
might benefit from the experience, as well.

I certainly know the difference between an editorial and news story. I also
know the definition of journalism, as it is presented in the classroom,
embraced by those in the field, and detailed in finer unabridged
dictionaries.

American Heritage Dictionary

journalism - 1) the collecting, writing, editing, and presentation of news
in print or electronic media. 2) Written material of current or popular
interest.

It is not surprising that you would argue that editorials need not be
journalistically responsible, as they are not examples of journalism or
products of journalists. Editorials can be irresponsible. When journalists
recuse themselves of all journalistic integrity when writing an editorial,
it is especially irresponsible and unprofessional.

In modern journalism, a distinction is often made between editorials and
commentaries. Editorials suggest the opinion of the editorial staff or
editor, (a journalist), while commentaries suggest that the opinions are not
necessarily those of the publication and are often written by
non-journalists. This distinction is made, I believe, to underscore that
opinions expressed in editorials are the result of honest journalist
pursuits.


The editorial I cited was an example of bad journalism.

In your opinion... shrug


Yes, in my opinion is is an example of bad journalism.


ROFLMAO! HAHAHAHA! That's funny!!!! You obviously don't have the slightest
clue of the definition of yellow journalism. To suggest that ANN engaged
in
yellow journalism related to an activity attended by _hundreds of
thousands
of people_ is patently absurd and bordering on the prepubescent.

The fact that the event was attended by thousands, is of little consequence
to our discussion. ANN's "editorial" suggests that Adam Aircraft is "under
fire for safety practices and other concerns" without providing any details.
Likewise, ANN suggests that the appearance carried with it "WAY too many
risks", without detailing those risks.

Yellow journalism need not be limited to news stories.

"C.D. Damron" wrote:

Yellow journalism need not be limited to news stories.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

IMO....

You will convince Jaun of nothing of
which he is not already convinced.

Not even that Chuck and the Pope are Catholic,
if Zooom editorializes otherwise. ; - (


Barnyard BOb --

"Barnyard BOb --" wrote in message
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You will convince Jaun of nothing of
which he is not already convinced.

Pot. Kettle. Black. chuckle

"Juan E Jimenez" wrote in message
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Editorials are pieces which express opinions, and they can come from many
different sources. There are editorials that express the views of the
publication, and there are guest editorials that express the views of
people
who have standing in the community to talk about a specific issue.


Juan,

I guess you didn't reach for your cheap-ass dictionary to look up the word,
editorial, did you?

While you might find editorials and commentaries on an "Editorial Page", an
editorial is strictly defined.

editorial - 1) An article in a publication expressing the opinion of its
editors or publishers. 2) A commentary on television or radio expressing the
opinion of the station or network.
(American Heritage Dictionary)


From your words, it sounds like you are more than comfortable with the word,
editorialize.

editorialize - 2) to present an opinion in the guise of an objective report.
(American Heritage Dictionary)


The modern convention is to make an obvious distinction between an editorial
and commentary.

"C.D. Damron" wrote in message
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editorial - 1) An article in a publication expressing the opinion of its
editors or publishers. 2) A commentary on television or radio expressing
the
opinion of the station or network.

Thank you for agreeing with me.

editorialize - 2) to present an opinion in the guise of an objective
report.
(American Heritage Dictionary)

I pity the students who attended your classes and learned from you how to be
a journalist by picking and choosing what suits your argument while ignoring
what doesn't. To wit:

editorialize - 1. To express an opinion in or as if in an editorial.
(American Heritage Dictionary)

BTW, rather than worrying so much about your uninformed opinions about
editorials vs. bonafide news and the difference between the two, you ought
to stick to what you allege you know and fix your web site.

Juan

"Juan E Jimenez" wrote in message
et...

BTW, rather than worrying so much about your uninformed opinions about
editorials vs. bonafide news and the difference between the two, you ought
to stick to what you allege you know and fix your web site.

It hasn't been a priority. Thanks for the suggestion.

In article MKu6b.278388$cF.86350@rwcrnsc53, "Juan E Jimenez"
writes:


No. Editorials don't necessarily have to _argue_ a point. They may simply
state an opinion based on an observation of something that happened in the
community. In this case, ANN is presenting its opinion on whether or not it
was a good idea for Adam to rush through a few hours of flight and fly to
OSH just because they want to show the a/c. ANN doesn't have to argue
anything to present this opinion. It can simply present it, as it did. Same
as my tiny editorial awarding Adam Aircraft the Steel Cojones Award for
bring the a/c to the show. (Oh, you missed that? hmm... interesting example
of selective reading) I didn't have to argue anything, period. I simply
stated it.



No Jaun, the Steel Cojones Award was not missed by anyone but, anyone with half
a brain also knows that it doesn't represent a compliment either. It was taken
as a slam on Adam Aircraft which is obviously, in light of the editorial, the
way it was intended.

Talk about selective reading! When are you going to learn to read?



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