Police Chief vows to deploy an unmanned aerial vehicle despite contentions

Richard Riley wrote:

As long as they maintain visual contact with it at all times and the
pilot is a member of AMA, they should be fine.

If not - good luck. FAA will stomp on them.

Not an FAA issue.

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 15:28:48 -0800, Richard Riley
wrote in
:


My company has many people working full time on COA's to allow our
various unmanned aircraft to fly outside the limits of the AMA
exemption.

http://www.uavm.com/uavregulatory/ce...orization.html

On this page:
http://www.uavm.com/uavregulatory/ai...ification.html
This link is broken:
http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/air_cert...iment/uas_faq/

Here is the updated link:
http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/air_cert...s/uas/uas_faq/

What does a special airworthiness certificate in the experimental
category allow me to do?

The operating limitations issued with this type of certificate
allow a UA to be operated only within the line of sight of an
observer, during daylight hours and when other aircraft are not in
the vicinity.


According to this General Atomics blurb:


http://www.ga-asi.com/news.php?subac..._from=&ucat=1&
Today Altair routinely operates in NAS under a national
Certificate of Authorization (COA) which allows it to fly in
restricted airspace during takeoff and landing before quickly
ascending to altitudes high above commercial air traffic. Under
its new one-year experimental certificate, Altair will not only be
able to fly at higher altitudes, but also expands its geographic
operations. Similar to a COA, an UAS experimental certificate
contains certain conditions that must be met to ensure a level of
safety equivalent to manned aircraft operations in the NAS. This
includes “good weather” conditions and a requirement for a pilot
and observer, both of whom may either be on the ground or in an
accompanying “chase” plane. While COAs are issued to the customer
(e.g. NASA, NOAA), the experimental certificate has been issued
directly to GA-ASI, providing it with the opportunity to use
Altair for company purposes such as experimental flight testing,
marketing demonstrations and crew training.


Operation of their Altair must:

"ensure a level of safety equivalent to manned aircraft operations
in the NAS."

So I suppose that means, that at altitude it must be accompanied by a
manned chase plane, and that ensures that the UAV operates with the
equivalent margin of safely as a "flight of two." Is that correct?

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:27:43 -0800, Richard Riley
wrote in
:

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 01:09:32 GMT, Larry Dighera
wrote:

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 15:28:48 -0800, Richard Riley
wrote in
:


My company has many people working full time on COA's to allow our
various unmanned aircraft to fly outside the limits of the AMA
exemption.

http://www.uavm.com/uavregulatory/ce...orization.html

On this page:
http://www.uavm.com/uavregulatory/ai...ification.html
This link is broken:
http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/air_cert...iment/uas_faq/

Here is the updated link:
http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/air_cert...s/uas/uas_faq/

What does a special airworthiness certificate in the experimental
category allow me to do?

The operating limitations issued with this type of certificate
allow a UA to be operated only within the line of sight of an
observer, during daylight hours and when other aircraft are not in
the vicinity.


According to this General Atomics blurb:


http://www.ga-asi.com/news.php?subac..._from=&ucat=1&
Today Altair routinely operates in NAS under a national
Certificate of Authorization (COA) which allows it to fly in
restricted airspace during takeoff and landing before quickly
ascending to altitudes high above commercial air traffic. Under
its new one-year experimental certificate, Altair will not only be
able to fly at higher altitudes, but also expands its geographic
operations. Similar to a COA, an UAS experimental certificate
contains certain conditions that must be met to ensure a level of
safety equivalent to manned aircraft operations in the NAS. This
includes “good weather” conditions and a requirement for a pilot
and observer, both of whom may either be on the ground or in an
accompanying “chase” plane. While COAs are issued to the customer
(e.g. NASA, NOAA), the experimental certificate has been issued
directly to GA-ASI, providing it with the opportunity to use
Altair for company purposes such as experimental flight testing,
marketing demonstrations and crew training.


Operation of their Altair must:

"ensure a level of safety equivalent to manned aircraft operations
in the NAS."

So I suppose that means, that at altitude it must be accompanied by a
manned chase plane, and that ensures that the UAV operates with the
equivalent margin of safely as a "flight of two." Is that correct?

That's one way to do it. Another way is to fly entirely within
restricted areas - that's what CBP is doing on the southern border
with their Pred B

While that may work fairly well along narrow strips of airspace along
the US borders, such a policy is going to amount to a huge airspace
grab if implemented in other areas of the CONUS.

In our testing we're keeping visual contact with the bird from an
observer on the ground. If another airplane is in the area we see and
avoid him - but from the ground.

I suppose that would be nearly the "level of safety equivalent to
manned aircraft operations," But it does add another member to the
ground crew. How many personnel would that make to operate the UAV?

Of course, that means our testing area in pretty small.

Due to the angle and haze in the atmosphere the testing area could be
quite limited at times, considering the speeds involved and the time
required to see the conflicting aircraft, recognize it as a factor,
input the control commands, and have the UAV actually maneuver out of
the way.

One unusual way, that has been done, is to put the observer in the
back seat of a convertable, and fly parallel to the highway.

So that method requires a second additional ground crew member to do
the driving. UAV operations are a bit labor intensive at this stage
of their development, aren't they.