An Open Apology to R.A.P.

On Feb 10, 8:38 pm, "Casey Wilson" wrote:
I sat in the shadows for a long time attempting to ignore the resident
troll, hoping against all odds that he would go away. When I could no longer
restrain myself, I started feeding the troll against my better judgement.
It is apparent that I have done nothing constructive in that regard and,
in my attempts, have probably offended a number of you whom I consider to be
excellent aviators, if not going as far as alienating some of you as well.
I earned my PP ASEL in 1975 and have never stopped learning. Along the
way, I have written more than a few aviation related articles published in
both regional and national magazines. I've made my bones and I've earned my
airman's title and the right to comment on matters of aviation - when I have
something to contribute or need your learned experience. It simply galls me
that someone like Mxsmanic can violate our treasured status day in and day
out and continue to survive, even thrive.

I realized today that I have been recently scanning down through the
posts on R.A.P. not to learn something new, but instead to find out what
kind of spew the troll is serving up. I feel I owe the rest of my real
flying colleagues an apology. For that reason and that reason alone, I am
going to retire from the newsgroup. My biggest regret is that Msxmanic will
undoubtedly, in his maniacal way, gloat over having won.

With apologies and regrets,

Casey Wilson
PP ASEL
Freelance Writer
and Photographer

P.S. - Mxsmanic is NOT a pilot, has NEVER flown an aircraft and is NOT
qualified to
issue competent information regarding any aspect of the operation of any
aircraft.

I hope groups like GNAA and other troll organizations never catch wind
of this place. Trolling you people is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Mxsmaniac isn't even explicitly trolling, for christ sake. He's just
trying to discuss. I don't even want to THINK of what kind of
monumental collective butthurt will arise from this group if even just
ONE real troll came here.

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On Feb 10, 8:38 pm, "Casey Wilson" wrote:
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I hope groups like GNAA and other troll organizations never catch wind
of this place. Trolling you people is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Mxsmaniac isn't even explicitly trolling, for christ sake. He's just
trying to discuss.

Bull****.

Al G

I hope groups like GNAA and other troll organizations never catch wind
of this place. Trolling you people is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Mxsmaniac isn't even explicitly trolling, for christ sake. He's just
trying to discuss.

Bull****.

You know, you guys really need to lighten up. Remember when Skylune
was flying off in every direction, hot and heavy? People were beside
themselves trying to shut him down, and keep him quiet.

I took another tack, and engaged with him. We talked politics, he
opened up and started talking about his days when he took flight
lessons. He turned out to be an okay guy, just ****ed off at some
doofus who kept over-flying his house. He's now a regular here, and
often contributes valuable input to this group.

MX isn't a bad sort, and he *is* trying to discuss aviation. He's
coming 'round to see that -- when posting on a pilot's group -- he has
to explicitly state that he's talking about sim experience. And he
has iniated some very interesting threads -- which is more than I can
say about a lot of the folks who are trash-talking him.

Diplomacy is the art of the possible. I suggest we all try it.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote

Diplomacy is the art of the possible. I suggest we all try it.

Different animal, here.

You couldn't be more wrong.

You will be part of our downfall, Jay.

Jim - out

On Feb 12, 8:26 pm, "Jay Honeck" wrote:

Diplomacy is the art of the possible. I suggest we all try it.

BEEN THERE, TRIED IT, DONE IT.

Doesn't work.....

Allen

"Jay Honeck" wrote:
You know, you guys really need to lighten up.

For what little it is worth, I agree with you.

I first encountered Usenet/netnews back in 1988. And I've had the (mis)
fortune to moderate several Usenet newsgroups. I've also been (and still
am) on a fair number of e-mail lists and Web forums. It is my humble
observation that you will find people with characteristics that are
annoying on any online forum. Hell, anyone with any social interaction will
find annoying characters in face-to-face encounters. At least in real life
they have to go home (unless the person annoying you is the bartender or
barber - then you go home or find a new place to socialize).

If your personality is one that demands control of your environment, I
think you will eventually find enormous frustration in any online forum.
The solution to the one's angst in these cases isn't externally caused, it
is internal.

So my humble suggestion is to do the Zen-sort-of-thing and "lighten up."
Are you masters of your own emotional state or not?

I, Jim Logajan wrote:
The solution to the one's angst in these cases isn't externally
caused, it is internal.

That's incomprehensible even to me! :-)

Fortunately I wrote it on a forum where someone is bound to tell me what I
was trying to say. ;-)

Hell, anyone with any social interaction will
find annoying characters in face-to-face encounters. At least in real life
they have to go home (unless the person annoying you is the bartender or
barber - then you go home or find a new place to socialize).

Maybe that's why I don't find MX so bothersome -- I deal with every
possible aspect of humanity, from the poorest of the poor, to the
wealthiest of the rich, every single day. I did it for years in
newspapers, and I've done it for almost five years in the hotel.

We all know the world is full of idiots -- but it's also full of
wonderful people. I started enjoying life a lot more when I realized
that often they were the same people -- it's just up to us to see
it.

Don't get me wrong -- I'm no pollyanna. I've physically escorted some
very annoying people from the hotel, and I won't hesitate to charge
someone for damaging my towels. But I will also listen to almost any
story you want to tell me, and will welcome any suggestion you'd like
to make, or input you may have. It's called being nice, and I guess
those of us who were raised in the Midwest are just that way.

There are so many more truly annoying people -- here, and in the real
world -- that I honestly wouldn't have noticed MX, were it not for all
the hoopla about him. IMHO, he is just a lonely guy sitting 10,000
miles away, conversing about flying. If you don't like him, fine, but
to make a big deal out of him is just...silly.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

In article .com,
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

There are so many more truly annoying people -- here, and in the real
world -- that I honestly wouldn't have noticed MX, were it not for all
the hoopla about him.

He's posted over FIFTEEN THOUSAND messages since June of 2005, the bulk
of them directed at the aviation newsgroups in the past year. Look up
his profile on Google Groups; it's enlightening.

If you don't like him, fine, but
to make a big deal out of him is just...silly.

Let's put it in terms you're closer to: I've never run a hotel, but I
watched a lot of Newhart and Fawlty Towers years ago, and I played
SimCity, too. I'm going to have a discussion with you--a professional
hotel manager--about running a hotel. In that discussion, I'm going to
argue with you about EVERY SINGLE THING YOU SAY, because what you say
isn't how they did it on Newhart, and my other research backs me up.

That's what this guy's doing to experienced pilots here. What you call
silly, I call trolling.

Buck Murdock writes:

He's posted over FIFTEEN THOUSAND messages since June of 2005 ...

Actually, just under 100,000 in all the years I've been using this pseudonym.

... the bulk of them directed at the aviation newsgroups in
the past year. Look up his profile on Google Groups; it's enlightening.

I did, and you're wrong.

I've actually posted a bit under 1200 messages to the rec.aviation.*
newsgroups, not the more than 7500 that you misleadingly claim.

If you're going to engage in personal attacks, I suggest that you make them
vague enough that they cannot be clearly contradicted by facts.

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