An Open Apology to R.A.P.

"Jay Honeck" wrote:
You know, you guys really need to lighten up.

For what little it is worth, I agree with you.

I first encountered Usenet/netnews back in 1988. And I've had the (mis)
fortune to moderate several Usenet newsgroups. I've also been (and still
am) on a fair number of e-mail lists and Web forums. It is my humble
observation that you will find people with characteristics that are
annoying on any online forum. Hell, anyone with any social interaction will
find annoying characters in face-to-face encounters. At least in real life
they have to go home (unless the person annoying you is the bartender or
barber - then you go home or find a new place to socialize).

If your personality is one that demands control of your environment, I
think you will eventually find enormous frustration in any online forum.
The solution to the one's angst in these cases isn't externally caused, it
is internal.

So my humble suggestion is to do the Zen-sort-of-thing and "lighten up."
Are you masters of your own emotional state or not?

I, Jim Logajan wrote:
The solution to the one's angst in these cases isn't externally
caused, it is internal.

That's incomprehensible even to me! :-)

Fortunately I wrote it on a forum where someone is bound to tell me what I
was trying to say. ;-)

Hell, anyone with any social interaction will
find annoying characters in face-to-face encounters. At least in real life
they have to go home (unless the person annoying you is the bartender or
barber - then you go home or find a new place to socialize).

Maybe that's why I don't find MX so bothersome -- I deal with every
possible aspect of humanity, from the poorest of the poor, to the
wealthiest of the rich, every single day. I did it for years in
newspapers, and I've done it for almost five years in the hotel.

We all know the world is full of idiots -- but it's also full of
wonderful people. I started enjoying life a lot more when I realized
that often they were the same people -- it's just up to us to see
it.

Don't get me wrong -- I'm no pollyanna. I've physically escorted some
very annoying people from the hotel, and I won't hesitate to charge
someone for damaging my towels. But I will also listen to almost any
story you want to tell me, and will welcome any suggestion you'd like
to make, or input you may have. It's called being nice, and I guess
those of us who were raised in the Midwest are just that way.

There are so many more truly annoying people -- here, and in the real
world -- that I honestly wouldn't have noticed MX, were it not for all
the hoopla about him. IMHO, he is just a lonely guy sitting 10,000
miles away, conversing about flying. If you don't like him, fine, but
to make a big deal out of him is just...silly.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

In article .com,
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

There are so many more truly annoying people -- here, and in the real
world -- that I honestly wouldn't have noticed MX, were it not for all
the hoopla about him.

He's posted over FIFTEEN THOUSAND messages since June of 2005, the bulk
of them directed at the aviation newsgroups in the past year. Look up
his profile on Google Groups; it's enlightening.

If you don't like him, fine, but
to make a big deal out of him is just...silly.

Let's put it in terms you're closer to: I've never run a hotel, but I
watched a lot of Newhart and Fawlty Towers years ago, and I played
SimCity, too. I'm going to have a discussion with you--a professional
hotel manager--about running a hotel. In that discussion, I'm going to
argue with you about EVERY SINGLE THING YOU SAY, because what you say
isn't how they did it on Newhart, and my other research backs me up.

That's what this guy's doing to experienced pilots here. What you call
silly, I call trolling.

Buck Murdock writes:

He's posted over FIFTEEN THOUSAND messages since June of 2005 ...

Actually, just under 100,000 in all the years I've been using this pseudonym.

... the bulk of them directed at the aviation newsgroups in
the past year. Look up his profile on Google Groups; it's enlightening.

I did, and you're wrong.

I've actually posted a bit under 1200 messages to the rec.aviation.*
newsgroups, not the more than 7500 that you misleadingly claim.

If you're going to engage in personal attacks, I suggest that you make them
vague enough that they cannot be clearly contradicted by facts.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

Let's put it in terms you're closer to: I've never run a hotel, but I
watched a lot of Newhart and Fawlty Towers years ago, and I played
SimCity, too. I'm going to have a discussion with you--a professional
hotel manager--about running a hotel. In that discussion, I'm going to
argue with you about EVERY SINGLE THING YOU SAY, because what you say
isn't how they did it on Newhart, and my other research backs me up.

I know you intended this to be a compliment, Buck, but it's truly
hilarious. Mary and I were FAR from "professional hotel managers"
when we bought the business back in 2002. I'm a newspaper guy, Mary's
a medical technologist -- and our only hotel experience prior to
buying the place was as disappointed guests in other hotels.

We, in fact, learned a lot about what people want in a hotel by simply
asking people on this newsgroup.

But I get your point.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Feb 13, 8:37 pm, Buck Murdock wrote:
Let's put it in terms you're closer to: I've never run a hotel, but I
watched a lot of Newhart and Fawlty Towers years ago, and I played
SimCity, too. I'm going to have a discussion with you--a professional
hotel manager--about running a hotel. In that discussion, I'm going to
argue with you about EVERY SINGLE THING YOU SAY, because what you say
isn't how they did it on Newhart, and my other research backs me up.

Okay, so you're saying that someone without direct experience should
not constantly argue a topic ? Let's run with that hypothesis:

Those of us with lots of experience being moderators of large groups,
have said many times, that it's the whiners who are being most
disruptive and who would be censored first. So unless they have
experience with moderating a group with thousands of members, they
should stop and shut up, right?

Oh yeah, we could only wish ;-)

Cheers, Kev

On Feb 13, 5:05 pm, "Jay Honeck" wrote:
Hell, anyone with any social interaction will
find annoying characters in face-to-face encounters. At least in real life
they have to go home (unless the person annoying you is the bartender or
barber - then you go home or find a new place to socialize).

Maybe that's why I don't find MX so bothersome -- I deal with every
possible aspect of humanity, from the poorest of the poor, to the
wealthiest of the rich, every single day. I did it for years in
newspapers, and I've done it for almost five years in the hotel.



I have to agree with Jay. As a university professor, I too face lots
of questions from all types of people. I try to live by 'there are no
stupid questions, only stupid answers'. Most of the questions which at
first seem trivial or stupid are often due to a lack of our own
understanding.

Most of the posts that involve mxsmanic goes something like this. He
might ask "what makes an airplane turn?". Someone answers: "when you
bank the airplane, the horizontal force makes the airplane turn'. Then
he responds with 'but a horizontal force can't make an airplane turn,
it only makes it fly sideways". This annoys the other pilots. "Why do
you ask trivial questions and then argue with the answer?" And so it
goes.

On 14 Feb 2007 15:53:19 -0800, "Andrew Sarangan"
wrote:


. . .As a university professor, I too face lots
of questions from all types of people. I try to live by 'there are no
stupid questions, only stupid answers'. Most of the questions which at
first seem trivial or stupid are often due to a lack of our own
understanding.

Well, besides:

"Will you be grading us on the curve?"
and
"Do we need to know this for the final?"
which probably do not arise from your own lack of understanding. . . .

There's:
"So what are you going to do about it, biker scum?"
"Would you mind if I slept with other women?"
"I shouldn't have been speeding, should I?"
"Who's gonna know?"
"Why can't we all just get along?"

Don