Iowa Aviation Weather...en Espanol

On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:56:58 -0800, Jay Honeck wrote
(in article .com):

I sincerely doubt that. Yes, English is more dominant now than it was when
you were born, but now it is losing a little of that dominance. You need to
get out of Iowa once in awhile. Visit Washington, D.C., or New Mexico, or
Puerto Rico. We have managed to hold this country together for more than two
centuries despite the fact that so many languages are spoken in it. I
suspect
it will continue for a few more.

We have never before in our history had a government that REQUIRED
bilingualism. We have always tolerated multiple languages, because we
are *all* immigrants -- but the difference now is that all of us are
being forced to pay for another set of immigrants who are apparently
incapable of comprehending English.

You must believe that America has become weak indeed if it can no longer
tolerate what has been the situation since its inception.

See above. We have never had governement-mandated bilingualism.
Ever. What bilingualism existed was like Milwaukee (German) or San
Francisco (Chinese), and was paid for BY THE IMMIGRANTS THEMSELVES.

Huge difference.

Well, not really. I think they have always spoken Spanish in Puerto Rico. New
Mexico had a bilingual law in their original constitution. Come on, Jay. This
is KKK stuff you're spouting. And I know you don't believe in that.

This is a freedom issue -- free trade and free men. Walls and restrictions
have never been good for business. The country hasn't had this much
protectionist sentiment since the Smoot/Hawley Tariff Act. We don't want to
revisit that again, do we?

If it helps to keep money flowing smoothly and makes life a little easier for
some people, I really don't have a problem with multi-lingual weather
briefings. Really, Jay, this is a business asset. It makes it easier for
people who don't speak English to visit Iowa, stay at your hotel, eat your
food, and so forth. Are you really telling me you don't have anything to
offer them, that you can't make a buck off this?

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

"CJ" == C J Campbell C writes:
CJ Come on, Jay. This is KKK stuff you're
CJ spouting. And I know you don't believe in that.

Uh--and how do you know he doesn't believe in that?

Every few weeks Jay posts some utterly off-topic crap here that
invariably reveals his narrow and often bigoted beliefs. It's always
some disadvantaged group (the working poor, hispanics) that's going to
run this country to hell in a handbasket.

Every time I've visited the midwest or south I run into people who are
racists right below the surface. They must think I'm safe to talk to
because within minutes they start blaming any incident in town on the
blacks, or mexicans, or whatever group they don't like. It's
something you rarely encounter in California. Most of our bigots have
moved to Idaho I think. Or maybe Iowa, I dunno.
--
Contrary to what most people say, the most dangerous animal in
the world is not the lion or the tiger or even the elephant. It's
a shark riding on an elephant's back, just trampling and eating
everything they see.
- Jack Handey

C J Campbell writes:

Well, not really. I think they have always spoken Spanish in Puerto Rico.

So they weren't bilingual, were they?

This is a freedom issue -- free trade and free men.

Freedom implies responsibility. Those who refuse to take responsibility for
their own destinies cannot complain about a lack of freedom.

Walls and restrictions have never been good for business.

So a requirement for bilingualism must not be good for business.

If it helps to keep money flowing smoothly and makes life a little easier for
some people, I really don't have a problem with multi-lingual weather
briefings.

It doesn't. People who can't speak English are likely to be illiterate in
Spanish as well, and they aren't likely to have much in the way of PCs or
Internet access.

It makes it easier for
people who don't speak English to visit Iowa, stay at your hotel, eat your
food, and so forth.

No, it doesn't. For that, _everything_ would have to be in Spanish (and
they'd have to be able to read).

Are you really telling me you don't have anything to
offer them, that you can't make a buck off this?

The potential revenue is far too small to justify the cost.

--
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Well, not really. I think they have always spoken Spanish in Puerto Rico. New
Mexico had a bilingual law in their original constitution. Come on, Jay. This
is KKK stuff you're spouting. And I know you don't believe in that.

Is this some new variation on the "Hitler Rule"?

Once you start accusing someone of belonging to the KKK, the
opportunity for intelligent discussion is over.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck writes:

Is this some new variation on the "Hitler Rule"?

I believe the formal designation is Godwin's Law, named after Mike Godwin of
_Wired_ Magazine, who developed the law in 1990.

Once you start accusing someone of belonging to the KKK, the
opportunity for intelligent discussion is over.

Godwin's Law holds that the probability of a comparison of someone or
something to Nazis or Hitler approaches one as a discussion continues over
time.

It happens because people, in their zeal to present their debate opponents as
unconditionally evil, grab for the first concept of "total evil" that comes to
mind, and that is often the Nazis or Hitler, about whom few people have
anything less than bad to say. In recent years, child molesters and
pedophiles have sometimes been mentioned for the same purpose.

--
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Jay Honeck wrote:

Once you start accusing someone of belonging to the KKK, the
opportunity for intelligent discussion is over.
--

Welcome to the new politically correct world of 'neo_ism' where nothing
is help in more disdain than issagreeing with the thinking of the
'enlightened'.

On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:04:32 -0800, Jay Honeck wrote
(in article .com):

Well, not really. I think they have always spoken Spanish in Puerto Rico.
New
Mexico had a bilingual law in their original constitution. Come on, Jay.
This
is KKK stuff you're spouting. And I know you don't believe in that.

Is this some new variation on the "Hitler Rule"?

Once you start accusing someone of belonging to the KKK, the
opportunity for intelligent discussion is over.

Now, Jay, read it again. I did not say that you were a member of the KKK; I
think you would be one of the last guys on earth to associate with that
crowd. That is why I am surprised at some of the stuff you have been saying.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

I think what Jay says makes a lot of sense.

The essence of America was that its immigrant population willingly abandoned
many or most aspects of the culture it left. My great grandmother told me
the story many times about her first weeks in this country. She went to
school, but couldn't speak a word of English. For a while every day, the
teacher had her stand on a desk and sing songs in German. There were no
translators, interpreters or bilingual instructors. She learned English,
and spoke it for the next 90 years. Was she proud of the culture she left?
of course. But this was her home now, and her heart and allegiance belonged
to this country from the day she stepped off the boat. THAT is what is
missing with today's immigrants, and that's why there is some resentment.

Like me, most Americans have close ties to immigrants, whether is is this
generation, or one recently past. But in my family, I never heard the
outright hatred for American culture and values that I hear from some of
today's immigrants. Laws compelling bilingualism will increase the divide
between the groups, and increase the hostility.


"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:04:32 -0800, Jay Honeck wrote
(in article .com):

Well, not really. I think they have always spoken Spanish in Puerto
Rico.
New
Mexico had a bilingual law in their original constitution. Come on, Jay.
This
is KKK stuff you're spouting. And I know you don't believe in that.

Is this some new variation on the "Hitler Rule"?

Once you start accusing someone of belonging to the KKK, the
opportunity for intelligent discussion is over.

Now, Jay, read it again. I did not say that you were a member of the KKK;
I
think you would be one of the last guys on earth to associate with that
crowd. That is why I am surprised at some of the stuff you have been
saying.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

LWG wrote:
I think what Jay says makes a lot of sense.

The essence of America was that its immigrant population willingly abandoned
many or most aspects of the culture it left. My great grandmother told me
the story many times about her first weeks in this country. She went to
school, but couldn't speak a word of English. For a while every day, the
teacher had her stand on a desk and sing songs in German. There were no
translators, interpreters or bilingual instructors. She learned English,
and spoke it for the next 90 years. Was she proud of the culture she left?
of course. But this was her home now, and her heart and allegiance belonged
to this country from the day she stepped off the boat. THAT is what is
missing with today's immigrants, and that's why there is some resentment.


Exactly sir. And we have brought this upon ourselves by lowering
standards, refusing to protect our borders (perish the thought if we
might offend someone) or even firmly and proudly defending American
values and sovereinty! To add insult to injury we have certain so
called 'leaders' out there bashing the country here and overseas.

The illegal immigrants that are here evidently have such disdain for the
United States that they openly make demands for amnesty all the while
expecting to receive all of the benefits provided by hardworking
taxpayers of this country and with no prejudice whatsoever.

ktbr wrote:



The illegal immigrants that are here evidently have such disdain for
the United States that they openly make demands for amnesty all the
while expecting to receive all of the benefits provided by hardworking
taxpayers of this country and with no prejudice whatsoever.

Just for the record you do realize that MANY illegals pay taxes in the US
don't you. I don't think anyone would say they don't work hard. If they
didn't they wouldn't be in such demand.