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Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

Just for the record you do realize that MANY illegals pay taxes in the US
don't you. I don't think anyone would say they don't work hard. If they
didn't they wouldn't be in such demand.



Where did I say illegals do not work hard? Stop being juvenile and
changing the focus of the matter in discussion. Of course most illegals
work hard, after all, they are here taking advantage of the
opportunities available for those who work hard.

They pay taxes where they have to but they avoid it whenever they can,
after all, they are not invested in this country in any way. A lot of
money is sent back to Mexico in the end. Do they think anything of the
consequenses they may have caused to a person from whom they may have
stolen an identity? After all, they disregarded any laws when they came
here so why should they start being concerned with them now?

What about insurance, or even a drivers license? Why worry when you are
here illegally the worst that can happen is you get sent back.

The probelm is, as always in such cases, is that when your life in this
country starts out with deception what real impetus is there to change
that? The answer is none.

Gig 601XL Builder writes:

Just for the record you do realize that MANY illegals pay taxes in the US
don't you.

Which ones? All the ones I've encountered paid nothing to anyone, although
they certain received money. This is especially true for the illegals who are
not Hispanic. I don't think anyone would say they don't work hard. If they
didn't they wouldn't be in such demand.

They don't necessarily work hard, but they work cheaply, and they can't
complain about working conditions. They are not suitable for skilled work,
though.

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No, they don't. Assuming they are not paid in cash, an illegal family of
four would have to make more than $25,000.00 per year before they paid the
first dime in income taxes. Before that, they would be entitled to an
earned income tax CREDIT, which other taxpayer pay to them for working.
Meanwhile, we are paying $20,000 per year to educate their two children, and
possibly another $5,000 to deliver their next one. If they are injured on
the job, we are paying disability benefits. If they require medical
treatment, we are paying that as well.

Sales taxes, you say? Direct transfers back to Mexico is the second largest
source of money for the Mexican economy, right after oil, and before
tourism. So tell me, at 5% of what's left over, how much of their earnings
is going to our economy?

The popularity of illegal aliens is blindingly simple: if I am an employer,
and I have to pay a citizen $12 per hour to do a job, and I can get an
illegal to do the same thing for $9, and there are no adverse consequences
to picking the illegal, which one will I choose?

Our immigration disaster is the result of a very ugly confluence of liberal
democratic politics with right wing immoral business interests. It is
certainly a more profound threat to our nation than terrorism.


Just for the record you do realize that MANY illegals pay taxes in the US
don't you. I don't think anyone would say they don't work hard. If they
didn't they wouldn't be in such demand.

"LWG" wrote

The essence of America was that its immigrant population willingly
abandoned many or most aspects of the culture it left. My great
grandmother told me the story many times about her first weeks in this
country. She went to school, but couldn't speak a word of English. For a
while every day, the teacher had her stand on a desk and sing songs in
German. There were no translators, interpreters or bilingual instructors.
She learned English, and spoke it for the next 90 years. Was she proud of
the culture she left? of course. But this was her home now, and her heart
and allegiance belonged to this country from the day she stepped off the
boat. THAT is what is missing with today's immigrants, and that's why
there is some resentment.

Well said.

As a country united with common language and values, we thrive.

Divided, we fall.
--
Jim in NC

But in my family, I never heard the
outright hatred for American culture and values that I hear from some of
today's immigrants.

Perhaps America's culture and values have changed?

Jose
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Jose wrote:
But in my family, I never heard the outright hatred for American
culture and values that I hear from some of today's immigrants.


Perhaps America's culture and values have changed?


If that is true, please think real hard and answer the question
yourself. If you can true be objective and analytical you will come up
with a fairly logical answer.

Perhaps America's culture and values have changed?
If that is true, please think real hard and answer the question yourself. If you can true be objective and analytical you will come up with a fairly logical answer.

I have an answer, but you won't like it.

Jose
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ktbr writes:

If that is true, please think real hard and answer the question
yourself. If you can true be objective and analytical you will come up
with a fairly logical answer.

A general erosion of personal responsibility, which is typical of all
democracies as they age.

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LWG wrote:

The essence of America was that its immigrant population willingly
abandoned many or most aspects of the culture it left.

is it? my understanding is that the only thing you abandon is
your allegiance to foreign powers. Each immigrant brings something
with the idea that the result is greater than the simple sum of
its parts. That's what I sign up for.

--Sylvain

Sylvain writes:

is it? my understanding is that the only thing you abandon is
your allegiance to foreign powers. Each immigrant brings something
with the idea that the result is greater than the simple sum of
its parts. That's what I sign up for.

Most immigrants are looking for a better life, so they don't have much to
bring, and there isn't much that they want to bring.

You cannot have the best of the old country _and_ the best of the new.

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