Iowa Aviation Weather...en Espanol

mad8 writes:

the citizenship test doesn't require being able to speak english. you
can take it in your own language if you pay/provide a translator.

In the United States, perhaps. In many countries, a test of competency in the
national language is _part_ of the citizenship test. If you don't speak the
language, you don't get citizenship, period.

(all this i know from being surrounded by Russians who just recently
came here and don't speak enough english to be useful)

They don't speak enough English to be useful, but they want to be citizens?
Hmm. If they are too lazy or stupid to learn English, how do they plan to
support themselves? Or do they expect the state to do that?

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On Feb 14, 10:57 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
mad8 writes:
the citizenship test doesn't require being able to speak english. you
can take it in your own language if you pay/provide a translator.

In the United States, perhaps. In many countries, a test of competency in the
national language is _part_ of the citizenship test. If you don't speak the
language, you don't get citizenship, period.

in this thread we were discussing the US last time I checked (AFAICS
the thread is about weather in spanish and the opinions of posters
about it)...


(all this i know from being surrounded by Russians who just recently
came here and don't speak enough english to be useful)

They don't speak enough English to be useful, but they want to be citizens?
Hmm. If they are too lazy or stupid to learn English, how do they plan to
support themselves? Or do they expect the state to do that?

The ability to learn a language isn't indicative of a person's
industriousness or intelligence. My father for example has a phd in
laser optics (which IS indicative of at least hard work) and is very
well employed here. It took him about 10 years to become (more or
less) fluent in english, and he still has quite a bit of an accent
(everyone understands him, but he sounds distinctly foreign). He took
the test in English, but if it had been a few years earlier he
wouldn't have been able to. He wasn't out to make russian an official
language of the US, he was just trying to get by with the abilities he
had. You wouldn't deny a deaf person assistance taking the citizenship
test, so why would you deny a non-native-speaker?
Learning english isn't an instant process (even for babies). pretty
much all who are able to, eventually learn english. Those who don't,
usually don't get much further than the construction business.
also, none of them are elligible for any government assistance until
they become citizens. Therefore, they have to make something of
themselves in the 5-10 years it takes to naturalize in the US.

on that note, go download a INS simulator and play it. It's much
easier than actually going through the immigration process.

to get back on the forum topic.
ATC is in english in the US, and nobody seems to request accomodations
for non-english speaking pilots (hell i think the FAR stipulates that
the pilot must speak english). But if i'm flying into Germany, for
example, would I be speaking to their ATC in german or english? What
about Mexico? What if i'm a mexican pilot would it be english or
spanish?

But if i'm flying into Germany, for
example, would I be speaking to their ATC in german or english? What
about Mexico? What if i'm a mexican pilot would it be english or
spanish?

I believe it is in English, worldwide. I've never flown in a foreign
country, but my understanding is that ATC is supposed to be in English,
even for the natives.

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Jose wrote:
But if i'm flying into Germany, for
example, would I be speaking to their ATC in german or english? What
about Mexico? What if i'm a mexican pilot would it be english or
spanish?

I believe it is in English, worldwide. I've never flown in a foreign
country, but my understanding is that ATC is supposed to be in English,
even for the natives.

Jose
English is the main language in aviation, but local language is accepted
in most Countries

Flydive schrieb:


English is the main language in aviation, but local language is accepted
in most Countries


English, French and Russian are the official ICAO languages, IIRC.

In most places in Germany you us English, only on some smaller airfields
you speak German. Same goes for France, I believe.

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Martin Hotze wrote:
Flydive schrieb:


English is the main language in aviation, but local language is accepted
in most Countries


English, French and Russian are the official ICAO languages, IIRC.

Yes, but English remains the mainly used language.

In most places in Germany you us English, only on some smaller airfields
you speak German. Same goes for France, I believe.

#m

In Italy, France, Switzerland, Greece, Spain, etc, you often hear the
local language spoken at major airports and enroute, even by airliners.

Jose wrote:

I believe it is in English, worldwide. I've never flown in a foreign
country, but my understanding is that ATC is supposed to be in English,
even for the natives.

well, brace yourself for a surprise then when you eventually venture
outside...

--Sylvain

Sylvain wrote:

Jose wrote:


I believe it is in English, worldwide. I've never flown in a foreign
country, but my understanding is that ATC is supposed to be in English,
even for the natives.


well, brace yourself for a surprise then when you eventually venture
outside...

--Sylvain

Why, all real countries have ATC who are English capable. France
probably being an exception. :-)

When I flew into St. Petersburg, the Russian controller's English wasn't
great, but I could make out most of it. I think I understood it better
though than did the two German pilots of the Lufthansa Airbus in which I
was riding jump seat.

Matt

Matt Whiting writes:

Why, all real countries have ATC who are English capable. France
probably being an exception. :-)

I've heard that the nickname some people have for French ATC is the "kess kee
dee," because whenever someone tries to talk to French ATC in English, one can
hear the controller whispering to his colleage, "Qu'est-ce qu'il dit?" (which
means "What did he say?" although it's pronounced "kess kee dee").

When I flew into St. Petersburg, the Russian controller's English wasn't
great, but I could make out most of it. I think I understood it better
though than did the two German pilots of the Lufthansa Airbus in which I
was riding jump seat.

When one person is a foreign speaker with an accent and the other is a foreign
listener, errors are compounded. I suspect a lot is simply not understood,
and pilots and ATC just guess at what they've heard (and are lucky enough to
usually get it right). See Tenerife for an example of what can happen when
guessing doesn't work.

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