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I think what Jay says makes a lot of sense.

The essence of America was that its immigrant population willingly abandoned
many or most aspects of the culture it left. My great grandmother told me
the story many times about her first weeks in this country. She went to
school, but couldn't speak a word of English. For a while every day, the
teacher had her stand on a desk and sing songs in German. There were no
translators, interpreters or bilingual instructors. She learned English,
and spoke it for the next 90 years. Was she proud of the culture she left?
of course. But this was her home now, and her heart and allegiance belonged
to this country from the day she stepped off the boat. THAT is what is
missing with today's immigrants, and that's why there is some resentment.

Like me, most Americans have close ties to immigrants, whether is is this
generation, or one recently past. But in my family, I never heard the
outright hatred for American culture and values that I hear from some of
today's immigrants. Laws compelling bilingualism will increase the divide
between the groups, and increase the hostility.


"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:04:32 -0800, Jay Honeck wrote
(in article .com):

Well, not really. I think they have always spoken Spanish in Puerto
Rico.
New
Mexico had a bilingual law in their original constitution. Come on, Jay.
This
is KKK stuff you're spouting. And I know you don't believe in that.

Is this some new variation on the "Hitler Rule"?

Once you start accusing someone of belonging to the KKK, the
opportunity for intelligent discussion is over.

Now, Jay, read it again. I did not say that you were a member of the KKK;
I
think you would be one of the last guys on earth to associate with that
crowd. That is why I am surprised at some of the stuff you have been
saying.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

LWG wrote:
I think what Jay says makes a lot of sense.

The essence of America was that its immigrant population willingly abandoned
many or most aspects of the culture it left. My great grandmother told me
the story many times about her first weeks in this country. She went to
school, but couldn't speak a word of English. For a while every day, the
teacher had her stand on a desk and sing songs in German. There were no
translators, interpreters or bilingual instructors. She learned English,
and spoke it for the next 90 years. Was she proud of the culture she left?
of course. But this was her home now, and her heart and allegiance belonged
to this country from the day she stepped off the boat. THAT is what is
missing with today's immigrants, and that's why there is some resentment.


Exactly sir. And we have brought this upon ourselves by lowering
standards, refusing to protect our borders (perish the thought if we
might offend someone) or even firmly and proudly defending American
values and sovereinty! To add insult to injury we have certain so
called 'leaders' out there bashing the country here and overseas.

The illegal immigrants that are here evidently have such disdain for the
United States that they openly make demands for amnesty all the while
expecting to receive all of the benefits provided by hardworking
taxpayers of this country and with no prejudice whatsoever.

ktbr wrote:



The illegal immigrants that are here evidently have such disdain for
the United States that they openly make demands for amnesty all the
while expecting to receive all of the benefits provided by hardworking
taxpayers of this country and with no prejudice whatsoever.

Just for the record you do realize that MANY illegals pay taxes in the US
don't you. I don't think anyone would say they don't work hard. If they
didn't they wouldn't be in such demand.

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

Just for the record you do realize that MANY illegals pay taxes in the US
don't you. I don't think anyone would say they don't work hard. If they
didn't they wouldn't be in such demand.



Where did I say illegals do not work hard? Stop being juvenile and
changing the focus of the matter in discussion. Of course most illegals
work hard, after all, they are here taking advantage of the
opportunities available for those who work hard.

They pay taxes where they have to but they avoid it whenever they can,
after all, they are not invested in this country in any way. A lot of
money is sent back to Mexico in the end. Do they think anything of the
consequenses they may have caused to a person from whom they may have
stolen an identity? After all, they disregarded any laws when they came
here so why should they start being concerned with them now?

What about insurance, or even a drivers license? Why worry when you are
here illegally the worst that can happen is you get sent back.

The probelm is, as always in such cases, is that when your life in this
country starts out with deception what real impetus is there to change
that? The answer is none.

They pay taxes where they have to but they avoid it whenever they can,
after all, they are not invested in this country in any way. A lot of
money is sent back to Mexico in the end.

All of our local roofing contractors have been forced to switch to
(illegal) Mexican "employees". If you talk to them at a bar, they
will all tell you that they love it -- AND hate it.

Here's why:

1. The Mexicans work extremely hard -- much harder than their native
American counterparts, most of whom take the job simply because they
are incapable of anything better.

2. The Mexicans work extremely cheaply, and for cash. No taxes to
report, no paperwork to fill out.

3. Every business owner I speak with says that they feel terrible
about the situation, and wish the illegals would go home -- but if one
of them hires illegals, they must ALL hire them, or get put out of
business by the low-ball bids of the other guys.

The bad thing is that the police, the politicians, and the people
building houses all know about it -- and do nothing. The laws on the
books simply mean nothing to these people.

And roofing contractors are the tip of the iceberg. We are the ONLY
hotel in Iowa City that will not (and I mean we REFUSE) to hire
illegal aliens as housekeepers. We currently have two native-born
Americans, and one LEGAL Mexican housekeeper, and they are all
wonderful.

If the government would do more raids on businesses that knowingly
hire illegals (like the Swift Meat Packing raids last month), the
problem would resolve itself almost overnight. No jobs would mean no
illegals, and we wouldn't need to build border fences, or hire more
border guards.

But there is far too much money going to the politicians for that to
happen in any effective way, much in the same way that we can't stop
the illegal drug trade. The politicians are in bed with the corrupt
business owners who hire these people -- and that's not about to
change.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:02:02 -0800, Jay Honeck wrote
(in article .com):



If the government would do more raids on businesses that knowingly
hire illegals (like the Swift Meat Packing raids last month),

That was an egregious miscarriage of justice. Swift was engaging in a
volunteer program to help Immigration find illegal aliens. Then when Swift
found some illegal aliens and duly reported them, Immigration raided the
corporation, closed it down for several days, and threatened fines and prison
terms.

Bet that encourages the rest of corporate America to look for illegals, eh?


--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

Recently, C J Campbell posted:

On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:02:02 -0800, Jay Honeck wrote
(in article .com):



If the government would do more raids on businesses that knowingly
hire illegals (like the Swift Meat Packing raids last month),

That was an egregious miscarriage of justice. Swift was engaging in a
volunteer program to help Immigration find illegal aliens. Then when
Swift found some illegal aliens and duly reported them, Immigration
raided the corporation, closed it down for several days, and
threatened fines and prison terms.

Bet that encourages the rest of corporate America to look for
illegals, eh?

Perhaps it better sheds light on the government's *real* position
regarding illegals.

Neil

That was an egregious miscarriage of justice. Swift was engaging in a
volunteer program to help Immigration find illegal aliens.

????

That's hilarious! Swift -- along with every other meat-packing plant
in Iowa -- were willingly (and knowingly) hiring illegal aliens. They
have been for years.

Swift should be shut down, not just fined. THAT would stop illegal
immigration...in about a week.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

C J Campbell wrote:

That was an egregious miscarriage of justice. Swift was engaging in a
volunteer program to help Immigration find illegal aliens. Then when Swift
found some illegal aliens and duly reported them, Immigration raided the
corporation, closed it down for several days, and threatened fines and prison
terms.

Sorta like that Congressman that was on film stuffing cash down his
pants when offered by an Arab "Sheik" in a sting operation some years
back. His defense was that he was conducting his own 'investigation'.

Gig 601XL Builder writes:

Just for the record you do realize that MANY illegals pay taxes in the US
don't you.

Which ones? All the ones I've encountered paid nothing to anyone, although
they certain received money. This is especially true for the illegals who are
not Hispanic. I don't think anyone would say they don't work hard. If they
didn't they wouldn't be in such demand.

They don't necessarily work hard, but they work cheaply, and they can't
complain about working conditions. They are not suitable for skilled work,
though.

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