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No, they don't. Assuming they are not paid in cash, an illegal family of
four would have to make more than $25,000.00 per year before they paid the
first dime in income taxes. Before that, they would be entitled to an
earned income tax CREDIT, which other taxpayer pay to them for working.
Meanwhile, we are paying $20,000 per year to educate their two children, and
possibly another $5,000 to deliver their next one. If they are injured on
the job, we are paying disability benefits. If they require medical
treatment, we are paying that as well.

Sales taxes, you say? Direct transfers back to Mexico is the second largest
source of money for the Mexican economy, right after oil, and before
tourism. So tell me, at 5% of what's left over, how much of their earnings
is going to our economy?

The popularity of illegal aliens is blindingly simple: if I am an employer,
and I have to pay a citizen $12 per hour to do a job, and I can get an
illegal to do the same thing for $9, and there are no adverse consequences
to picking the illegal, which one will I choose?

Our immigration disaster is the result of a very ugly confluence of liberal
democratic politics with right wing immoral business interests. It is
certainly a more profound threat to our nation than terrorism.


Just for the record you do realize that MANY illegals pay taxes in the US
don't you. I don't think anyone would say they don't work hard. If they
didn't they wouldn't be in such demand.

"LWG" wrote

The essence of America was that its immigrant population willingly
abandoned many or most aspects of the culture it left. My great
grandmother told me the story many times about her first weeks in this
country. She went to school, but couldn't speak a word of English. For a
while every day, the teacher had her stand on a desk and sing songs in
German. There were no translators, interpreters or bilingual instructors.
She learned English, and spoke it for the next 90 years. Was she proud of
the culture she left? of course. But this was her home now, and her heart
and allegiance belonged to this country from the day she stepped off the
boat. THAT is what is missing with today's immigrants, and that's why
there is some resentment.

Well said.

As a country united with common language and values, we thrive.

Divided, we fall.
--
Jim in NC

But in my family, I never heard the
outright hatred for American culture and values that I hear from some of
today's immigrants.

Perhaps America's culture and values have changed?

Jose
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Jose wrote:
But in my family, I never heard the outright hatred for American
culture and values that I hear from some of today's immigrants.


Perhaps America's culture and values have changed?


If that is true, please think real hard and answer the question
yourself. If you can true be objective and analytical you will come up
with a fairly logical answer.

Perhaps America's culture and values have changed?
If that is true, please think real hard and answer the question yourself. If you can true be objective and analytical you will come up with a fairly logical answer.

I have an answer, but you won't like it.

Jose
--
Humans are pack animals. Above all things, they have a deep need to
follow something, be it a leader, a creed, or a mob. Whosoever fully
understands this holds the world in his hands.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Jose wrote:

Perhaps America's culture and values have changed?

If that is true, please think real hard and answer the question
yourself. If you can true be objective and analytical you will come up
with a fairly logical answer.


I have an answer, but you won't like it.


Yes, you have "an" answer. The reason you think I won't like it is
because you know it is probably not objective, thoughtful or un-biased.
I am an engineer by training and trade so I like things that are
accurate, objective, honest and correct.

I am an engineer by training and trade so I like things that are
accurate, objective, honest and correct.

What the heck are you doing *here*??

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Yes, you have "an" answer. The reason you think I won't like it is because you know it is probably not objective, thoughtful or un-biased. I am an engineer by training and trade so I like things that are accurate, objective, honest and correct.

What's the question? America's culture and values =have= changed - some
for the better, some for the worse. Culture and values are not
something that can be measured, like air pressure or altitude. People's
reactions to culture and values are not governed by simple laws like
F=ma (except in the degenerate case).

Objective and analytical people disagree with each other - simply being
objective and ayalytical will not guarantee an answer you cotton to.

Just consider for a moment the role of unions 100 years ago, and their
present incarnation. There is a significant adverse change in attitude
right there. Consider the degree of litigiousness - I suppose that is
amenable to measurement and objective analysis (though it is not true
that "all things are equal" - some adjustment is necessary to isolate
the causes).

Jose
--
Humans are pack animals. Above all things, they have a deep need to
follow something, be it a leader, a creed, or a mob. Whosoever fully
understands this holds the world in his hands.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

ktbr writes:

If that is true, please think real hard and answer the question
yourself. If you can true be objective and analytical you will come up
with a fairly logical answer.

A general erosion of personal responsibility, which is typical of all
democracies as they age.

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Mxsmanic wrote:

A general erosion of personal responsibility, which is typical of all
democracies as they age.


That is part of the answer.