Realistic Instrument Training using MSFS 2004

writes:

If you can fly that well on instruments with MSFS, then I
congratulate you!

Just a question of practice and/or logic.

I now understand why you think controlling an
aircraft by instruments is no different than in VMC.

You don't control an aircraft by instruments. You control an aircraft with
flight controls, such as the rudder and yoke. They work in exactly the same
way in both VMC and IMC.

Instruments provide you with information. They do not control the aircraft,
except on autopilot. And the autopilot works the same in both IMC and VMC.

It isn't that easy for me. I find it much harder, especially when
distracted by looking up and studying procedures, and radio work.
Maybe with enough practice it will also become second nature to me.

You're confusing situational awareness and the gathering of information about
it with the actual act of controlling the aircraft.

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Mxsmanic wrote:
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You're confusing situational awareness and the gathering of information about
it with the actual act of controlling the aircraft.


You're confusing reality with a game. And worse, lecturing people based
on your small world. I have no doubt you can fly the bejesus out of
MSFS, but it is a different world - that of real flying in real airplanes.

Tim writes:

You're confusing reality with a game.

I'm not talking about a game.

And worse, lecturing people based on your small world.

The more I read from some pilots here, the more I recognize how clueless some
of them really are.

I have no doubt you can fly the bejesus out of
MSFS, but it is a different world - that of real flying
in real airplanes.

I'm less and less convinced of this.

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Here's an idea - save up some money - and take an hour of dual
instruction in a real plane - should only be about $100 to $175
depending on where you live. Then report your experience. You might
even find that people will be more inclined to hear what you have to say.

Since you love simulators so much, find a school or instructor with a
frasca simulator and spend an hour in it. It is loggable sim time - as
opposed to msfs.

As others have pointed out - this is res.aviation.ifr - not
rec.simulations.ifr or other similar game newsgroups.

I own a plane. I fly - I fly IFR. I own MSFS and I have used it. I
actually have experience about stuff you pretend to know about. Your
semantics and pedantry are amusing, but still have no basis in reality.



Mxsmanic wrote:
Tim writes:


You're confusing reality with a game.


I'm not talking about a game.


And worse, lecturing people based on your small world.


The more I read from some pilots here, the more I recognize how clueless some
of them really are.


I have no doubt you can fly the bejesus out of
MSFS, but it is a different world - that of real flying
in real airplanes.


I'm less and less convinced of this.

Tim,

Here's an idea - save up some money - and take an hour of dual
instruction in a real plane - should only be about $100 to $175
depending on where you live.


We're moving in circles here. If you google the group a little, you'll
find out we've been through these suggestions. MX is deadly afraid of
flying, but similarly afraid to admit it. He'll never fly.

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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Tim writes:

Here's an idea - save up some money - and take an hour of dual
instruction in a real plane - should only be about $100 to $175
depending on where you live.

I was considering that, but then it occurred to me that the instructor might
be like many people in this newsgroup, and I wouldn't want to be stuck
thousands of feet in the air with someone like that.

Then report your experience. You might
even find that people will be more inclined to hear what you have to say.

Why? The experience wouldn't really change anything.

In reality, they would find some _other_ initiation ritual to separate
themselves from myself.

Since you love simulators so much, find a school or instructor with a
frasca simulator and spend an hour in it. It is loggable sim time - as
opposed to msfs.

I'd want a full-motion simulator, and apparently those are rare for general
aviation. If it doesn't move, I may as well stick with MSFS; just adding a
plastic imitation of a cockpit doesn't change much.

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OK, I finally came to the conclusion that you are an idiot. Thanks for
the wonderful discussion. Have fun playing with your games.

Mxsmanic wrote:
Tim writes:


Here's an idea - save up some money - and take an hour of dual
instruction in a real plane - should only be about $100 to $175
depending on where you live.


I was considering that, but then it occurred to me that the instructor might
be like many people in this newsgroup, and I wouldn't want to be stuck
thousands of feet in the air with someone like that.


Then report your experience. You might
even find that people will be more inclined to hear what you have to say.


Why? The experience wouldn't really change anything.

In reality, they would find some _other_ initiation ritual to separate
themselves from myself.


Since you love simulators so much, find a school or instructor with a
frasca simulator and spend an hour in it. It is loggable sim time - as
opposed to msfs.


I'd want a full-motion simulator, and apparently those are rare for general
aviation. If it doesn't move, I may as well stick with MSFS; just adding a
plastic imitation of a cockpit doesn't change much.

Tim,

I have no doubt you can fly the bejesus out of
MSFS


You don't? Actually, based on his postings and his problems with
reality, I highly doubt that he is as well versed with MSFS as he
believes he is.

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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Tim wrote:
You're confusing reality with a game. And worse, lecturing people based
on your small world. I have no doubt you can fly the bejesus out of
MSFS....

Actually, he can't. He's stated several times that he has
trouble controlling the A/C in MSFS and needs to use the
autopilot.

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TxSrv wrote:
Tim wrote:

You're confusing reality with a game. And worse, lecturing people
based on your small world. I have no doubt you can fly the bejesus
out of MSFS....


Actually, he can't. He's stated several times that he has trouble
controlling the A/C in MSFS and needs to use the autopilot.

F--


I was being polite.