F-4E Story

"Danny Deger" wrote in message
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I was starting to realize what had happened. Lips was so ****ed that I
was
going to separate from a fight that he started out offensive, his mind
melted down and he couldn't tell the difference between turning in front
of
an opponent and lead turn for a kill. His ego was so hurt by my upcoming
separation, he made a mistake - a big mistake. This goes to show you the
first rule of air-to-air combat. You aren't fighting another airplane,
you
are fighting another human. Get into their head and make them **** (what
market are you writing for?) up. It
is much easier to win this way that "than" with a few angles hear
"here" and a few feet
closer there.

While we are proofing : ) Neat story!

"Allen" wrote in message
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"Danny Deger" wrote in message
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I was starting to realize what had happened. Lips was so ****ed that I
was
going to separate from a fight that he started out offensive, his mind
melted down and he couldn't tell the difference between turning in front
of
an opponent and lead turn for a kill. His ego was so hurt by my upcoming
separation, he made a mistake - a big mistake. This goes to show you the
first rule of air-to-air combat. You aren't fighting another airplane,
you
are fighting another human. Get into their head and make them **** (what
market are you writing for?) up. It
is much easier to win this way that "than" with a few angles hear
"here" and a few feet
closer there.

While we are proofing : ) Neat story!


Thanks for finding the mistakes.

Danny Deger

Where did you fly F-4Es, and when? I was a comm-nav avionics tech in the
35CRS at George AFB from Feb 1982 to April 1983, and in the 526TFS/AMU at
Ramstein AB, Germany from May 1983 to May 1986, both assignments working on
F-4Es. I wonder if we crossed paths? I know a fellow in the Minneapolis
area who flew the same F-4Es I worked on at Ramstein after they'd been
reassigned to the Indiana ANG. In fact his first F-4E flight he logged was
in the same tail number I got an incentive ride in a few years earlier,
68-0531. It can be a small world.

I'd suggest you post your story on rec.aviation.military. Besides Ed
Rasimus there are several other former fighter jocks who could give you some
good suggestions about writing and publishing.
Scott Wilson

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Where did you fly F-4Es, and when? I was a comm-nav avionics tech in the
35CRS at George AFB from Feb 1982 to April 1983, and in the 526TFS/AMU at
Ramstein AB, Germany from May 1983 to May 1986, both assignments working
on
F-4Es. I wonder if we crossed paths? I know a fellow in the Minneapolis
area who flew the same F-4Es I worked on at Ramstein after they'd been
reassigned to the Indiana ANG. In fact his first F-4E flight he logged was
in the same tail number I got an incentive ride in a few years earlier,
68-0531. It can be a small world.

I flew the ARN-101 equiped F-4E in the 334 TFS at Seymour Johnson from 1981
to 1984.


I'd suggest you post your story on rec.aviation.military. Besides Ed
Rasimus there are several other former fighter jocks who could give you
some
good suggestions about writing and publishing.
Scott Wilson

Thanks, I did this and got some useful input -- Like "don't quit your day
job" :-)

Danny Deger

"Danny Deger" wrote

Thanks, I did this and got some useful input -- Like "don't quit your day
job" :-)

I enjoyed reading your snippet too and would like to see more.

BDS

"BDS" wrote in message
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"Danny Deger" wrote

Thanks, I did this and got some useful input -- Like "don't quit your day
job" :-)

I enjoyed reading your snippet too and would like to see more.

BDS



Thanks for the input. A free lance writer has recommended I sit down and
let the words flow until I am finished -- i.e. don't edit as I write. I
make so many mistakes, I am not going to post anymore until I finish and
edit. At that time I will snip some of the interesting flying stories and
post here for entertainment value.

Danny Deger

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"Danny Deger" wrote:

wrote in message
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Where did you fly F-4Es, and when? I was a comm-nav avionics tech in the
35CRS at George AFB from Feb 1982 to April 1983, and in the 526TFS/AMU at
Ramstein AB, Germany from May 1983 to May 1986, both assignments working
on
F-4Es. I wonder if we crossed paths? I know a fellow in the Minneapolis
area who flew the same F-4Es I worked on at Ramstein after they'd been
reassigned to the Indiana ANG. In fact his first F-4E flight he logged was
in the same tail number I got an incentive ride in a few years earlier,
68-0531. It can be a small world.

I flew the ARN-101 equiped F-4E in the 334 TFS at Seymour Johnson from 1981
to 1984.


I'd suggest you post your story on rec.aviation.military. Besides Ed
Rasimus there are several other former fighter jocks who could give you
some
good suggestions about writing and publishing.
Scott Wilson

Thanks, I did this and got some useful input -- Like "don't quit your day
job" :-)

Danny Deger

One of my glider buds was an F4 backseater at Seymour Johnson around
that time. His name is Kirk Stant. Hi Kirk, if you're reading this
newsgroup.

Another of my glider friends was base commander there, but I'm not sure
what years. Ray Kleber. I once asked a KC-10 crew if they knew him. I
gathered from their outburst of profanity that they did.

"Berry" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Danny Deger" wrote:

wrote in message
t...
Where did you fly F-4Es, and when? I was a comm-nav avionics tech in
the
35CRS at George AFB from Feb 1982 to April 1983, and in the 526TFS/AMU
at
Ramstein AB, Germany from May 1983 to May 1986, both assignments
working
on
F-4Es. I wonder if we crossed paths? I know a fellow in the
Minneapolis
area who flew the same F-4Es I worked on at Ramstein after they'd been
reassigned to the Indiana ANG. In fact his first F-4E flight he logged
was
in the same tail number I got an incentive ride in a few years earlier,
68-0531. It can be a small world.

I flew the ARN-101 equiped F-4E in the 334 TFS at Seymour Johnson from
1981
to 1984.


I'd suggest you post your story on rec.aviation.military. Besides Ed
Rasimus there are several other former fighter jocks who could give you
some
good suggestions about writing and publishing.
Scott Wilson

Thanks, I did this and got some useful input -- Like "don't quit your day
job" :-)

Danny Deger

One of my glider buds was an F4 backseater at Seymour Johnson around
that time. His name is Kirk Stant. Hi Kirk, if you're reading this
newsgroup.

Another of my glider friends was base commander there, but I'm not sure
what years. Ray Kleber. I once asked a KC-10 crew if they knew him. I
gathered from their outburst of profanity that they did.

I can't say that I recall either name, but that reminds me to write in some
words on Peter T. Kempt. He was the wing command while I was there. One of
his quotes was "Airman, lack of punishment is reward enough for a job well
done." This sums up the man's personality perfectly in my opinion. The
wing had just gotten an unsat on our formal review and Colonel Kempt was
brought in to shake things up. He did a good job of doing that. He put in
a squadron commander that matched his bubbling personality. I had the
"pleasure" of working for both men for 2 years.

Danny Deger

On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:57:37 -0600, "Danny Deger"
wrote:



I can't say that I recall either name, but that reminds me to write in some
words on Peter T. Kempt. He was the wing command while I was there. One of
his quotes was "Airman, lack of punishment is reward enough for a job well
done." This sums up the man's personality perfectly in my opinion. The
wing had just gotten an unsat on our formal review and Colonel Kempt was
brought in to shake things up. He did a good job of doing that. He put in
a squadron commander that matched his bubbling personality. I had the
"pleasure" of working for both men for 2 years.

Danny Deger


Peter T. Kempf (note the "f" vs "t") was one of the lower forms of
animal life that got elevated to general officer status. He was
eventually drummed out of the corps in disgrace following a bit of
flaperdoodle regarding a secretary and some extra-curriculars.

With a lot of incredible leaders in the AF, he's one to overlook in
the short list.

Or even a long one.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org
www.thundertales.blogspot.com