Boarding with engines running

Mxsmanic wrote:

Unfortunately, yes. I only found out that the brakes were very hot by
accident, and I was well into my departure by then.

In what fantasy world was this? You are insane.

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In a previous article, "capt" said:
I consider a
requirement that one be in Olympic condition to get a license to be an
unnecessary burden.

Translation: I'm so fat I need a shoehorn to squeeze through a doorway.

Sport pilot takes care of that.

Not really. When the plane only has 600 pounds useful load, and you
weigh nearly 300, there isn't much left over for the instructor and fuel.


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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
Is it safe/advisable to board a small single- or twin-engined aircraft
while
the prop(s) and engine(s) are turning? I'm just wondering if this is
feasible
if you just have someone getting on or getting off (with the pilot being
in
the aircraft the whole time).


Mxmanic,

The people on the aviation newsgroup are giving you a pretty hard time. I
don't fully understand it. Your questions seem relevant to aviation in a
general sort of way. Sorry the group is so middle-schoolish to your
questions.

Your wanting your sim'ing to be as realistic as possible is perfectly
normal. I did it for a long time in MSFS as well as the F16 Fighting Falcon
sim. I wanted to do everything as the real pilot would do on a real mission
(sitting in on the briefing, programming the GPS, starting the engines,
setting the radio frequencies, etc). It adds to the realism and I
understand it's importance if it's something you will never be able to
experience in real life.

The planes we fly can be more fun than an airliner in the way they handle
and maneuver so quickly. They are also more fun than a simulator for those
financially fortunate enough to indulge in such an expensive hobby.
Further, it's not as dangerous as you alluded in a previous post, nor do
most of us fly because we are 'thrill seekers". It is a thrill, but not
because our lives are on the line. It's a thrill because so few people can
do it and do it well. We are proud of our training and the self-discipline
it takes to learn to fly properly and safely.

Also, the simulator is harder to fly than a real (tin can) airplane. In the
real plane all your senses are helping you control the plane. i.e. you
feel the acceleration, you feel the bank, the pitch, the yaw, etc. You can
feel the yoke stiffen as the plane accelerates, you feel the change in pitch
when you roll the trim in and you feel the brake pressure and you can feel
rudder pressure. It's so much different and all these sensations help you
coordinate the plane's attitude and control.

Landing is 10X's easier in the real plane because you can look out the
windows and have a true real life perspective of how high you are and how
fast you are moving. Often in a sim I lose perspective on altitude and
speed and genuinely get disoriented on landing.

Keep sim'ing and maybe one day you'll do what I did. I was flying MSFS one
afternoon and just said, "That's it!" I grabbed my check book and drove to
the local airport and plucked down 45 dollars for a 1/2 hour introductory
flight. I was instantly hooked and continued on to my instrument rating and
commercial pilot's license. I am also the owner of Cessna Cardinal RG and
have flown all over from Toronto, Maine, Georgia, Martha's Vineyard,
Nantucket, Miami and the Bahamas to name a few. It's quite an experience to
fly to far off destinations that I could never get to easily by car and
would be too short by airliner.

All the best, Kobra

Kobra writes:

The planes we fly can be more fun than an airliner in the way they handle
and maneuver so quickly.

If you like sudden movements. Sudden movements tend to make me queasy,
however.

Also, the simulator is harder to fly than a real (tin can) airplane.

In that case, I should be able to step into the real thing and fly it like a
pro immediately, since I have no trouble flying the sim most of the time.

Keep sim'ing and maybe one day you'll do what I did. I was flying MSFS one
afternoon and just said, "That's it!" I grabbed my check book and drove to
the local airport and plucked down 45 dollars for a 1/2 hour introductory
flight.

Perhaps one day when I have plenty of time and money I'll try it, although
there is a substantial risk of disappointment. Right now, I only have $8, so
it won't be any time soon.

I was instantly hooked and continued on to my instrument rating and
commercial pilot's license. I am also the owner of Cessna Cardinal RG and
have flown all over from Toronto, Maine, Georgia, Martha's Vineyard,
Nantucket, Miami and the Bahamas to name a few.

You must be independently wealthy.

It's quite an experience to
fly to far off destinations that I could never get to easily by car and
would be too short by airliner.

Sounds great, if you enjoy travel. I hate to travel, though (for me, that's
one of the _problems_ with aviation in real life, not one of the advantages).

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On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:26:59 -0600, "Don Burnette"
wrote:


"Nomen Nescio" wrote in message
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snip


In my view, if my pulse is racing and I'm sweating, I've failed as a
pilot.


In that case you've never flown a real plane much. :-))


Translation: My pulse races and I sweat when I try to get out of a chair.

Hope this helps.



ROTFLMAO!

That was awesome, thank you!!!


Don

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Roger wrote:

In that case you've never flown a real plane much. :-))



I'm beginning to have doubts if he's even been ON one, probably took QM-2
over to Paris...
Or a hot air ballon, with organically generated hot air - oh no, that'd be
too exciting for the poor dear.........
d:-))

On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:55:25 -0700, "capt" wrote:


"Nomen Nescio" wrote in message
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From: Mxsmanic
I
consider paying $250 an hour for each hour of flight to be very stressful.

Translation: I live on $600 a month

I ain't too far from that, SSA pays about $880/mo
Still flight time is doable tho, even if it's only once a month.

Story in the paper a couple weeks back listed commuter pilots as
making less than $20K a year. How accurate that is, I don't know.


I don't think it's $250 an hour for flight time here tho.

I
consider having to spend thousands of dollars and trudge through endless
paperwork just to be allowed to fly to be unacceptably onerous.

Translation: I ain't smart enough to pass the written test.

All he needs to do is study

I consider a
requirement that one be in Olympic condition to get a license to be an
unnecessary burden.

Olympic condition???
He should see some of the pilots we have out at the local airport. One
has to crawl up the wing (low wing aircraft) to get in the door.


Translation: I'm so fat I need a shoehorn to squeeze through a doorway.

That's why they make 182s and 210s. You could haul a piano in one.


Sport pilot takes care of that.

I consider the inaccessibility of ownership of an
aircraft to be a major disappointment.

Translation: Nobody wants to buy me a plane.

Join a flight club.
Very few people own their own plane here, but I think we got 1 or 2 club
planes.

I consider the possibility of being
killed to be an uncomfortably high risk

Translation: I sleep with the lights on 'cause the monsters under
my bed come out when it's dark.

cars will kill ya too, even more so.

I consider the absence of bathrooms
on some aircraft to be a major inconvenience.

Translation: I have chronic EXPLOSIVE diarrhea

Airports are nearby

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:45:46 +0000 (UTC),
(Paul Tomblin) wrote:

In a previous article, "capt" said:
I consider a
requirement that one be in Olympic condition to get a license to be an
unnecessary burden.

Translation: I'm so fat I need a shoehorn to squeeze through a doorway.

Sport pilot takes care of that.

Not really. When the plane only has 600 pounds useful load, and you
weigh nearly 300, there isn't much left over for the instructor and fuel.

You're describing a Cessna 150. We had one instructor and student who
weighed enough together that they could only put a bit less than half
fuel in the 150 and they don't carry much to begin with. :-)) Even
when I was a bit more trim and a lot younger the two of us put it near
gross. Surprisingly the 150 with the smaller engine can handle the
larger load.

Even the G-III I'm building has about 850 to 900# useful load and
although it has plenty of shoulder room it's not an easy plane to get
into. It is a low wing that stands on a fairly tall gear. I'd guess
the wing root is nearly two feet higher than the root on a Bonanza and
it's *slippery* too :-))
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

In a previous article, Roger said:
On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:45:46 +0000 (UTC),
(Paul Tomblin) wrote:
In a previous article, "capt" said:
Translation: I'm so fat I need a shoehorn to squeeze through a doorway.

Sport pilot takes care of that.

Not really. When the plane only has 600 pounds useful load, and you
weigh nearly 300, there isn't much left over for the instructor and fuel.

You're describing a Cessna 150. We had one instructor and student who
weighed enough together that they could only put a bit less than half

That's why I trained in a Warrior. The useful load was closer to 850 lbs.


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heart out from the gaping hole you used to call a chest whilst breaking
your sternum and playing air guitar with your ribcage. -- Tai

Paul Tomblin writes:

That's why I trained in a Warrior. The useful load was closer to 850 lbs.

That's why I like to fly a 747-400. The useful load is a little over 450,000
lbs.

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