F-4E Story

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"Danny Deger" wrote:

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Where did you fly F-4Es, and when? I was a comm-nav avionics tech in the
35CRS at George AFB from Feb 1982 to April 1983, and in the 526TFS/AMU at
Ramstein AB, Germany from May 1983 to May 1986, both assignments working
on
F-4Es. I wonder if we crossed paths? I know a fellow in the Minneapolis
area who flew the same F-4Es I worked on at Ramstein after they'd been
reassigned to the Indiana ANG. In fact his first F-4E flight he logged was
in the same tail number I got an incentive ride in a few years earlier,
68-0531. It can be a small world.

I flew the ARN-101 equiped F-4E in the 334 TFS at Seymour Johnson from 1981
to 1984.


I'd suggest you post your story on rec.aviation.military. Besides Ed
Rasimus there are several other former fighter jocks who could give you
some
good suggestions about writing and publishing.
Scott Wilson

Thanks, I did this and got some useful input -- Like "don't quit your day
job" :-)

Danny Deger

One of my glider buds was an F4 backseater at Seymour Johnson around
that time. His name is Kirk Stant. Hi Kirk, if you're reading this
newsgroup.

Another of my glider friends was base commander there, but I'm not sure
what years. Ray Kleber. I once asked a KC-10 crew if they knew him. I
gathered from their outburst of profanity that they did.

"Berry" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Danny Deger" wrote:

wrote in message
t...
Where did you fly F-4Es, and when? I was a comm-nav avionics tech in
the
35CRS at George AFB from Feb 1982 to April 1983, and in the 526TFS/AMU
at
Ramstein AB, Germany from May 1983 to May 1986, both assignments
working
on
F-4Es. I wonder if we crossed paths? I know a fellow in the
Minneapolis
area who flew the same F-4Es I worked on at Ramstein after they'd been
reassigned to the Indiana ANG. In fact his first F-4E flight he logged
was
in the same tail number I got an incentive ride in a few years earlier,
68-0531. It can be a small world.

I flew the ARN-101 equiped F-4E in the 334 TFS at Seymour Johnson from
1981
to 1984.


I'd suggest you post your story on rec.aviation.military. Besides Ed
Rasimus there are several other former fighter jocks who could give you
some
good suggestions about writing and publishing.
Scott Wilson

Thanks, I did this and got some useful input -- Like "don't quit your day
job" :-)

Danny Deger

One of my glider buds was an F4 backseater at Seymour Johnson around
that time. His name is Kirk Stant. Hi Kirk, if you're reading this
newsgroup.

Another of my glider friends was base commander there, but I'm not sure
what years. Ray Kleber. I once asked a KC-10 crew if they knew him. I
gathered from their outburst of profanity that they did.

I can't say that I recall either name, but that reminds me to write in some
words on Peter T. Kempt. He was the wing command while I was there. One of
his quotes was "Airman, lack of punishment is reward enough for a job well
done." This sums up the man's personality perfectly in my opinion. The
wing had just gotten an unsat on our formal review and Colonel Kempt was
brought in to shake things up. He did a good job of doing that. He put in
a squadron commander that matched his bubbling personality. I had the
"pleasure" of working for both men for 2 years.

Danny Deger

On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:57:37 -0600, "Danny Deger"
wrote:



I can't say that I recall either name, but that reminds me to write in some
words on Peter T. Kempt. He was the wing command while I was there. One of
his quotes was "Airman, lack of punishment is reward enough for a job well
done." This sums up the man's personality perfectly in my opinion. The
wing had just gotten an unsat on our formal review and Colonel Kempt was
brought in to shake things up. He did a good job of doing that. He put in
a squadron commander that matched his bubbling personality. I had the
"pleasure" of working for both men for 2 years.

Danny Deger


Peter T. Kempf (note the "f" vs "t") was one of the lower forms of
animal life that got elevated to general officer status. He was
eventually drummed out of the corps in disgrace following a bit of
flaperdoodle regarding a secretary and some extra-curriculars.

With a lot of incredible leaders in the AF, he's one to overlook in
the short list.

Or even a long one.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org
www.thundertales.blogspot.com

"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:57:37 -0600, "Danny Deger"
wrote:



I can't say that I recall either name, but that reminds me to write in
some
words on Peter T. Kempt. He was the wing command while I was there. One
of
his quotes was "Airman, lack of punishment is reward enough for a job well
done." This sums up the man's personality perfectly in my opinion. The
wing had just gotten an unsat on our formal review and Colonel Kempt was
brought in to shake things up. He did a good job of doing that. He put
in
a squadron commander that matched his bubbling personality. I had the
"pleasure" of working for both men for 2 years.

Danny Deger


Peter T. Kempf (note the "f" vs "t") was one of the lower forms of
animal life that got elevated to general officer status. He was
eventually drummed out of the corps in disgrace following a bit of
flaperdoodle regarding a secretary and some extra-curriculars.

With a lot of incredible leaders in the AF, he's one to overlook in
the short list.

Or even a long one.



Thanks for the correction on the spelling of the name. His hatchet man that
ran the 334 TFS, Micheal Short, ran the squadron just like Kempf ran the
wing, i.e. "Lack of punishment is reward enough for job well done." Short
also made general and was in charge in Serbia when a pilot mis IDed many
people following a tractor as a truck and trailer. Apperently Short allowed
some tactic of using a low quality FLIRs to ID targets and attack them. I
saw him on 60 minutes explain why he wasn't responsible for this horribly
flawed tactic. He was a horrilble pilot and tactician. I can't wait to
write-up my last disimilar combat mission where three missions in a row 2
F-16s hammered us each and every flight. I begged him to try something
different on at least one pass. No doing. We did the exact same tactic
over an over and over and got hammered over and over and over. He was not a
quick study on the art of air combat.

Danny Deger

"Danny Deger" wrote in message ...
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.... I can't wait to
: write-up my last disimilar combat mission where three missions in a row 2
: F-16s hammered us each and every flight. I begged him to try something
: different on at least one pass. No doing. We did the exact same tactic
: over an over and over and got hammered over and over and over. He was not a
: quick study on the art of air combat.
:
: Danny Deger
:
:
:

The definition of insanity is doing something over and over the same way and expecting different results...

Dan D. (also)
Kalamazoo, MI

On Feb 28, 8:00 pm, Ed Rasimus wrote:
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:57:37 -0600, "Danny Deger"

wrote:

I can't say that I recall either name, but that reminds me to write in some
words on Peter T. Kempt. He was the wing command while I was there. One of
his quotes was "Airman, lack of punishment is reward enough for a job well
done." This sums up the man's personality perfectly in my opinion. The
wing had just gotten an unsat on our formal review and Colonel Kempt was
brought in to shake things up. He did a good job of doing that. He put in
a squadron commander that matched his bubbling personality. I had the
"pleasure" of working for both men for 2 years.

Danny Deger

Peter T. Kempf (note the "f" vs "t") was one of the lower forms of
animal life that got elevated to general officer status. He was
eventually drummed out of the corps in disgrace following a bit of
flaperdoodle regarding a secretary and some extra-curriculars.

With a lot of incredible leaders in the AF, he's one to overlook in
the short list.



LOL!!!


You are mired in the JOO'S war in Iraq and you think you have
incredible leaders!!?

You have mindless bots!










Or even a long one.

Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org
www.thundertales.blogspot.com

You are mired in the JOO'S war in Iraq and you think you have
incredible leaders!!?

You have mindless bots!




LOL the leaders who bear the main responsibil;ity for the screw-ups in Iraq
are civilian not military