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"Lynn in StLou" wrote in message
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The question might better be "What does the official 800 Squadron history
say it was doing during the time of June 1 to June 10, 1944? What does the
official history of HMS Emperor say it was doing in that same time period.
Not the web history, but the official history in the RN archives.


We'll work on those questions next.



If you go to http://www.royalnavyresearcharchive....RT/EMPEROR.htm
, in the body it makes no mention of Emperor supporting the Normandy
landings. But if you look at the sidebar, it lists Normandy 1944 among
its battle honors.


Been there.



There seems to be similar holes in 800 squadron's history as it appears on
the web. One source mentions their support of the Tirpitz raids, but
makes no mention of them in the invasion of southern France in the body of
the history. But it lists Southern France 1944 as a battle honor.


How is that a hole?



This source, http://www.answers.com/topic/no-800-naval-air-squadron
indicates 800 Squadron was in the process of absorbing 804 Squadron in
June, 1944 before participating in the invasion of Southern France.

It is possible that 800 was busy absorbing 804 at the time of the invasion
and Emperor was present in an ASW role sans 800 Squadron.


Both squadrons were operating Hellcats at the time, the "absorbing" process
would seem to be mostly paperwork.

HMS Emperor is not listed among the participating ships of Operation NEPTUNE
in any capacity. No aircraft carriers are listed. There wouldn't seem to
be a need for them with thousands of land-based aircraft available.



One needs to get to the original sources to truly answer the question of
Emperor being at or near Normandy. As you can see, the web is not always
consistent.


Have at it.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

Major snippage for brevity...


HMS Emperor is not listed among the participating ships of Operation NEPTUNE
in any capacity. No aircraft carriers are listed. There wouldn't seem to
be a need for them with thousands of land-based aircraft available.

The following is provided in another post...

t appears the carriers Tracker, Pursuer and Emperor were on U-boat patrol
about 300 miles west of Normandy during the landings.

http://www.history.navy.mil/library/...-7.htm#cn417-3

This reference is titled *DEFENSIVE MEASURES --
NEPTUNE OPERATION* and in its footnotes mentions
Tracker, Pursuer, and Emperor. The document says
they were part of a force provided by CinC Western
Approaches to counter U-boat movement from the
north. That does not support your position that
there were no aircraft carriers. All three
carriers are credited with battle honors at Normandy.


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"Lynn in StLou" wrote in message
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

Major snippage for brevity...


HMS Emperor is not listed among the participating ships of Operation
NEPTUNE in any capacity. No aircraft carriers are listed. There
wouldn't seem to be a need for them with thousands of land-based aircraft
available.

The following is provided in another post...

t appears the carriers Tracker, Pursuer and Emperor were on U-boat patrol
about 300 miles west of Normandy during the landings.

http://www.history.navy.mil/library/...-7.htm#cn417-3

This reference is titled *DEFENSIVE MEASURES --
NEPTUNE OPERATION* and in its footnotes mentions Tracker, Pursuer, and
Emperor. The document says they were part of a force provided by CinC
Western Approaches to counter U-boat movement from the north. That does
not support your position that there were no aircraft carriers.


I didn't say there were no carriers, I said there were no carriers listed
among the participating ships of Operation NEPTUNE. If you have information
to the contrary please present it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Neptune



All three carriers are credited with battle honors at Normandy.


Can you cite an official source for that assertion?

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Lynn in StLou" wrote in message
. ..
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

Major snippage for brevity...

HMS Emperor is not listed among the participating ships of Operation
NEPTUNE in any capacity. No aircraft carriers are listed. There
wouldn't seem to be a need for them with thousands of land-based aircraft
available.
The following is provided in another post...

t appears the carriers Tracker, Pursuer and Emperor were on U-boat patrol
about 300 miles west of Normandy during the landings.

http://www.history.navy.mil/library/...-7.htm#cn417-3
This reference is titled *DEFENSIVE MEASURES --
NEPTUNE OPERATION* and in its footnotes mentions Tracker, Pursuer, and
Emperor. The document says they were part of a force provided by CinC
Western Approaches to counter U-boat movement from the north. That does
not support your position that there were no aircraft carriers.


I didn't say there were no carriers, I said there were no carriers listed
among the participating ships of Operation NEPTUNE. If you have information
to the contrary please present it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Neptune

http://www.history.navy.mil/library/...-7.htm#cn417-3

As stated previously, the document says they were
part of a force provided by CinC
Western Approaches to counter U-boat movement
from the north. It seems rather clear that the
Wikipedia list is incomplete.



All three carriers are credited with battle honors at Normandy.


Can you cite an official source for that assertion?



As official as Wikipedia....

http://www.royalnavyresearcharchive....RT/EMPEROR.htm

http://www.royalnavyresearcharchive....RT/PURSUER.htm

http://www.royalnavyresearcharchive....RT/TRACKER.htm

Battle honors are listed in the left sidebar.

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"Lynn in StLou" wrote in message
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Lynn in StLou" wrote in message
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

Major snippage for brevity...

HMS Emperor is not listed among the participating ships of Operation
NEPTUNE in any capacity. No aircraft carriers are listed. There
wouldn't seem to be a need for them with thousands of land-based
aircraft
available.
The following is provided in another post...

t appears the carriers Tracker, Pursuer and Emperor were on U-boat
patrol
about 300 miles west of Normandy during the landings.

http://www.history.navy.mil/library/...-7.htm#cn417-3
This reference is titled *DEFENSIVE MEASURES --
NEPTUNE OPERATION* and in its footnotes mentions Tracker, Pursuer, and
Emperor. The document says they were part of a force provided by CinC
Western Approaches to counter U-boat movement from the north. That
does
not support your position that there were no aircraft carriers.


I didn't say there were no carriers, I said there were no carriers listed
among the participating ships of Operation NEPTUNE. If you have
information to the contrary please present it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Neptune

http://www.history.navy.mil/library/...-7.htm#cn417-3

As stated previously, the document says they were part of a force provided
by CinC
Western Approaches to counter U-boat movement from the north. It seems
rather clear that the Wikipedia list is incomplete.



All three carriers are credited with battle honors at Normandy.


Can you cite an official source for that assertion?

As official as Wikipedia....

http://www.royalnavyresearcharchive....RT/EMPEROR.htm

http://www.royalnavyresearcharchive....RT/PURSUER.htm

http://www.royalnavyresearcharchive....RT/TRACKER.htm

Battle honors are listed in the left sidebar.


I think you've lost track of the subject. The issue is not where the
carriers were on D-Day, but whether the Hellcat was used during the Normandy
invsasion. If you accept sources that indicate the carriers were nowhere
near Normandy you have to accept that their aircraft were not used during
the invasion.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Lynn in StLou" wrote in message
. ..
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Lynn in StLou" wrote in message
. ..
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

Major snippage for brevity...

HMS Emperor is not listed among the participating ships of Operation
NEPTUNE in any capacity. No aircraft carriers are listed. There
wouldn't seem to be a need for them with thousands of land-based
aircraft
available.
The following is provided in another post...

t appears the carriers Tracker, Pursuer and Emperor were on U-boat
patrol
about 300 miles west of Normandy during the landings.

http://www.history.navy.mil/library/...-7.htm#cn417-3
This reference is titled *DEFENSIVE MEASURES --
NEPTUNE OPERATION* and in its footnotes mentions Tracker, Pursuer, and
Emperor. The document says they were part of a force provided by CinC
Western Approaches to counter U-boat movement from the north. That
does
not support your position that there were no aircraft carriers.

I didn't say there were no carriers, I said there were no carriers listed
among the participating ships of Operation NEPTUNE. If you have
information to the contrary please present it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Neptune
http://www.history.navy.mil/library/...-7.htm#cn417-3

As stated previously, the document says they were part of a force provided
by CinC
Western Approaches to counter U-boat movement from the north. It seems
rather clear that the Wikipedia list is incomplete.


All three carriers are credited with battle honors at Normandy.

Can you cite an official source for that assertion?
As official as Wikipedia....

http://www.royalnavyresearcharchive....RT/EMPEROR.htm

http://www.royalnavyresearcharchive....RT/PURSUER.htm

http://www.royalnavyresearcharchive....RT/TRACKER.htm

Battle honors are listed in the left sidebar.


I think you've lost track of the subject. The issue is not where the
carriers were on D-Day, but whether the Hellcat was used during the Normandy
invsasion. If you accept sources that indicate the carriers were nowhere
near Normandy you have to accept that their aircraft were not used during
the invasion.



Nope...never lost track. All I posted was
relevant to rebutting your position that there
were no carriers and hence no Hellcats.

If you want to state:

that their aircraft were not used OVER THE
BEACHHEAD during the invasion.

(BOLD inserted by me) then I can agree with you.


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"Lynn in StLou" wrote in message
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Nope...never lost track. All I posted was relevant to rebutting your
position that there were no carriers and hence no Hellcats.

If you want to state:

that their aircraft were not used OVER THE BEACHHEAD during the
invasion.

(BOLD inserted by me) then I can agree with you.


Well, since that IS what I said, it appears you DID lose track.