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  #1  
Old March 4th 07, 01:57 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Not4wood
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Default Taking the pledge

Jay,

At this point after everything thats gone, I will also take the pledge and I
already put the character in a kill file that is working very well so far in
4 Usenet groups.

So;

1. I will not respond to MX's posts.
2. I will not lambaste MX on these newsgroups.
3. I will not vandalize MX's website.

All in favor, say "aye"...


Ayeeeeeee

Not4wood




"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...
I think that more practical suggestions have already been made. For
example, one recent suggestion was to answer legitimate questions and
correct inaccurate information regardless of the originator, and avoid
arguing with those that just want to disrupt. Much easier, more civil,
covers more than just mx's posts and keeps the traffic on topic.


I am personally in favor of your suggestion, Neil, but I am apparently
in the minority.

Therefore, before we lose any more quality members, I am suggesting
taking "The Pledge" simply as a way of maintaining some group
cohesion.

I tried answering MX's legitimate questions, and watched in horror as
the group descended into flames. I think it's better, at this point,
to simply ignore his threads, and see where this goes.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"




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Old March 4th 07, 02:01 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Larry Dighera
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Default Taking the pledge

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 07:33:37 -0600, "Neil Gould"
wrote in
:

I think that more practical suggestions have already been made. For
example, one recent suggestion was to answer legitimate questions and
correct inaccurate information regardless of the originator, and avoid
arguing with those that just want to disrupt. Much easier, more civil,
covers more than just mx's posts and keeps the traffic on topic.


Thank you for that enlightened voice of reason. It is truly a breath
of fresh air in a sea of yammering, emotional, fools.

  #3  
Old March 4th 07, 01:26 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Matt Whiting
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Default Taking the pledge

Jay Honeck wrote:
Okay, folks, enough is enough. We've got good, long-term, high
quality pilots seriously discussing vandalizing someone's website,
because of said someone's troll-dom.

In the past, I have defended said troll, and lambasted said vandals,
but have now come to realize that this troll is obviously so divisive
and upsetting to some that this issue risks tearing apart the very
fabric of rec.aviation.

I personally find this amazing (he truly doesn't bother me that much)
but, in the interest of keeping this newsgroup intact and (relatively)
harmonious, I hereby publically make the following pledges, and urge
others to join me he

1. I will not respond to MX's posts.
2. I will not lambaste MX on these newsgroups.
3. I will not vandalize MX's website.

All in favor, say "aye"...


Absolutely. Then again, I began this several months ago when a plonked
him. I now only am bothered by all of the replies to his posts ... and
that is bad enough.

Matt
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Old March 4th 07, 02:01 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Not4wood
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Default Taking the pledge

Jay,

At this time I would like to ask you if you could post this in the other
Aviation Newsgroups as well including the Flight Sim Newsgroup.

They are having a hard time from the same character as well.

Thank you in advance.

Mark G
Not4wood


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...
Okay, folks, enough is enough. We've got good, long-term, high
quality pilots seriously discussing vandalizing someone's website,
because of said someone's troll-dom.

In the past, I have defended said troll, and lambasted said vandals,
but have now come to realize that this troll is obviously so divisive
and upsetting to some that this issue risks tearing apart the very
fabric of rec.aviation.

I personally find this amazing (he truly doesn't bother me that much)
but, in the interest of keeping this newsgroup intact and (relatively)
harmonious, I hereby publically make the following pledges, and urge
others to join me he

1. I will not respond to MX's posts.
2. I will not lambaste MX on these newsgroups.
3. I will not vandalize MX's website.

All in favor, say "aye"...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"



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Old March 4th 07, 02:08 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Kevin Clarke
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Default Taking the pledge

Jay Honeck wrote:
Okay, folks, enough is enough. We've got good, long-term, high
quality pilots seriously discussing vandalizing someone's website,
because of said someone's troll-dom.
... I hereby publically make the following pledges, and urge
others to join me he

1. I will not respond to MX's posts.
2. I will not lambaste MX on these newsgroups.
3. I will not vandalize MX's website.

All in favor, say "aye"...

Your heart is in the right place. But engaging in "loyalty oaths" of
sorts sends a chill up my spine. Among the great things I find in the
aviation community is the strong personal liberty/libertarian bent of
the participants. This speaks to a strong cultural identity of US
citizens in particular but I'm sure other net denizens as well.

The USENET is a strong pure form of democracy and open discourse. It has
been this way for the 20+ years I've been reading, involved with and
enjoying it. People should behave a certain way because it is the
appropriate way to behave not because they have sworn allegiance to a
group. This includes posters and responders to posters.

It is the height of arrogance for me to suggest a certain way to behave
or look or dress or act or anything else. We have individual rights,
choices and responsibilities. I've made my choice on the person in
question's behavior. While it is frustrating to watch these train wrecks
in this and other forums, it is equally frustrating to walk down the
street and find some unfortunate person haranguing the sky or some
unseen enemy. Shake your head, walk on, but make a difference where you
can, when you can. But most of all pray for the wisdom to know the
difference.

Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so, too.
~Voltaire

Voltaire, ironically, a Frenchman. :-)

KC
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Old March 4th 07, 02:21 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Larry Dighera
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Default Taking the pledge

On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 14:08:48 GMT, Kevin Clarke
wrote in . net:

People should behave a certain way because it is the
appropriate way to behave not because they have sworn allegiance to a
group. This includes posters and responders to posters.



Absolutely.

Unfortunately, some people are incapable of thinking, and need someone
to lead them. That's what empowers shamans to make them drink arsenic
laced KoolAid, and copulate with their children. The human race is
still evolving. We must be patient.

There is no expedient to which a man will not resort
to avoid the real labor of thinking.
-- Sir Joshua Reynolds
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Old March 4th 07, 03:29 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dan Luke
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Default Taking the pledge


"Larry Dighera" wrote:

Unfortunately, some people are incapable of thinking, and need someone
to lead them. That's what empowers shamans to make them drink arsenic
laced KoolAid, and copulate with their children.


Not to mention fly airplanes into buildings [aviation content!].

The human race is still evolving. We must be patient.


Sorry, I don't have another 100,000 years to wait around. I reserve the right
to be impatient.

There is no expedient to which a man will not resort
to avoid the real labor of thinking.
-- Sir Joshua Reynolds


Indeed. That is why we have priests and politicians, the twin curses of the
human race.

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM


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Old March 4th 07, 04:04 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Larry Dighera
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Default Taking the pledge

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 09:29:42 -0600, "Dan Luke"
wrote in
:


The human race is still evolving. We must be patient.


Sorry, I don't have another 100,000 years to wait around. I reserve the right
to be impatient.


I should have put a :-) after that statement.

When you evolve a little further, you'll see that impatience only
works against you. :-)

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Old March 4th 07, 03:49 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Bob Fry
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"JH" == Jay Honeck writes:
JH I personally find this amazing (he truly doesn't bother me
JH that much)

A rare occasion when I agree with Jay. What's the big deal with this
mxsmanic guy? I have to conclude that it's the newsreader people use;
if you don't use any filtering the guy's post and followups are in
your face as much as the occasional post related to piloting an
airplane.

But I would take Jay's pledge a lot more seriously if it included a
sacrifice on his part...like not posting his own off-topic **** here.
At least mxsmanic's posts are related to aviation. Too often Jay's
posts have nothing whatsover to do with aviation, or piloting, and
exhibit an offensive bigotry towards some group he doesn't like.
These posts then start long followups, for and against, which is what
I think Jay really likes--"look what I did! I generated the longest
reply chain this month!"

So Jay's pledge is meaningless. The real antidote to mxsmanic, Jay's
racial rants, and like kind? Do some flying and post your stories.
Mine is to follow.

--
When Armageddon comes, it would be good to be an Olympic athlete,
because running real fast and jumping over stuff could come in
handy.
- Jack Handey

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Old March 4th 07, 05:31 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jay Honeck
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Default Taking the pledge

So Jay's pledge is meaningless. The real antidote to mxsmanic, Jay's
racial rants, and like kind? Do some flying and post your stories.


"Jay's racial rants"? More tripe from "Bob"....

:-(

It's people like "Bob" here that make MX look positively pleasant.
Everything in "Bob's" world is negative, everyone is out to get him,
and anyone who disagrees with "him" must be stupid. Worse, dissenters
must be "corrected", preferably in the most unpleasant way.

Resorting to slurs is the norm in "Bob's" world. There is no room for
counterpoint in "Bob's" world.

I would gladly take TEN Mxsmanic's to one "Bob". If personally
slanderous posts like this one from "Bob" could be eliminated, Usenet
would be a better place, and far more aviation content would be
presented here.

Sadly, my response will only give "him" the opportunity to produce
another vindictive, monotonal, off-kilter whine about all the "idiots"
who disagree with "him". But that, after all, is what makes people
like "Bob" -- and MX -- tick.

Have at it, "Bob". I can hardly wait.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

 




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