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Jay,
At this point after everything thats gone, I will also take the pledge and I already put the character in a kill file that is working very well so far in 4 Usenet groups. So; 1. I will not respond to MX's posts. 2. I will not lambaste MX on these newsgroups. 3. I will not vandalize MX's website. All in favor, say "aye"... Ayeeeeeee Not4wood "Jay Honeck" wrote in message oups.com... I think that more practical suggestions have already been made. For example, one recent suggestion was to answer legitimate questions and correct inaccurate information regardless of the originator, and avoid arguing with those that just want to disrupt. Much easier, more civil, covers more than just mx's posts and keeps the traffic on topic. I am personally in favor of your suggestion, Neil, but I am apparently in the minority. Therefore, before we lose any more quality members, I am suggesting taking "The Pledge" simply as a way of maintaining some group cohesion. I tried answering MX's legitimate questions, and watched in horror as the group descended into flames. I think it's better, at this point, to simply ignore his threads, and see where this goes. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 07:33:37 -0600, "Neil Gould"
wrote in : I think that more practical suggestions have already been made. For example, one recent suggestion was to answer legitimate questions and correct inaccurate information regardless of the originator, and avoid arguing with those that just want to disrupt. Much easier, more civil, covers more than just mx's posts and keeps the traffic on topic. Thank you for that enlightened voice of reason. It is truly a breath of fresh air in a sea of yammering, emotional, fools. |
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Jay Honeck wrote:
Okay, folks, enough is enough. We've got good, long-term, high quality pilots seriously discussing vandalizing someone's website, because of said someone's troll-dom. In the past, I have defended said troll, and lambasted said vandals, but have now come to realize that this troll is obviously so divisive and upsetting to some that this issue risks tearing apart the very fabric of rec.aviation. I personally find this amazing (he truly doesn't bother me that much) but, in the interest of keeping this newsgroup intact and (relatively) harmonious, I hereby publically make the following pledges, and urge others to join me he 1. I will not respond to MX's posts. 2. I will not lambaste MX on these newsgroups. 3. I will not vandalize MX's website. All in favor, say "aye"... Absolutely. Then again, I began this several months ago when a plonked him. I now only am bothered by all of the replies to his posts ... and that is bad enough. Matt |
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Jay,
At this time I would like to ask you if you could post this in the other Aviation Newsgroups as well including the Flight Sim Newsgroup. They are having a hard time from the same character as well. Thank you in advance. Mark G Not4wood "Jay Honeck" wrote in message oups.com... Okay, folks, enough is enough. We've got good, long-term, high quality pilots seriously discussing vandalizing someone's website, because of said someone's troll-dom. In the past, I have defended said troll, and lambasted said vandals, but have now come to realize that this troll is obviously so divisive and upsetting to some that this issue risks tearing apart the very fabric of rec.aviation. I personally find this amazing (he truly doesn't bother me that much) but, in the interest of keeping this newsgroup intact and (relatively) harmonious, I hereby publically make the following pledges, and urge others to join me he 1. I will not respond to MX's posts. 2. I will not lambaste MX on these newsgroups. 3. I will not vandalize MX's website. All in favor, say "aye"... -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Jay Honeck wrote:
Okay, folks, enough is enough. We've got good, long-term, high quality pilots seriously discussing vandalizing someone's website, because of said someone's troll-dom. ... I hereby publically make the following pledges, and urge others to join me he 1. I will not respond to MX's posts. 2. I will not lambaste MX on these newsgroups. 3. I will not vandalize MX's website. All in favor, say "aye"... Your heart is in the right place. But engaging in "loyalty oaths" of sorts sends a chill up my spine. Among the great things I find in the aviation community is the strong personal liberty/libertarian bent of the participants. This speaks to a strong cultural identity of US citizens in particular but I'm sure other net denizens as well. The USENET is a strong pure form of democracy and open discourse. It has been this way for the 20+ years I've been reading, involved with and enjoying it. People should behave a certain way because it is the appropriate way to behave not because they have sworn allegiance to a group. This includes posters and responders to posters. It is the height of arrogance for me to suggest a certain way to behave or look or dress or act or anything else. We have individual rights, choices and responsibilities. I've made my choice on the person in question's behavior. While it is frustrating to watch these train wrecks in this and other forums, it is equally frustrating to walk down the street and find some unfortunate person haranguing the sky or some unseen enemy. Shake your head, walk on, but make a difference where you can, when you can. But most of all pray for the wisdom to know the difference. Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so, too. ~Voltaire Voltaire, ironically, a Frenchman. :-) KC |
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On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 14:08:48 GMT, Kevin Clarke
wrote in . net: People should behave a certain way because it is the appropriate way to behave not because they have sworn allegiance to a group. This includes posters and responders to posters. Absolutely. Unfortunately, some people are incapable of thinking, and need someone to lead them. That's what empowers shamans to make them drink arsenic laced KoolAid, and copulate with their children. The human race is still evolving. We must be patient. There is no expedient to which a man will not resort to avoid the real labor of thinking. -- Sir Joshua Reynolds |
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![]() "Larry Dighera" wrote: Unfortunately, some people are incapable of thinking, and need someone to lead them. That's what empowers shamans to make them drink arsenic laced KoolAid, and copulate with their children. Not to mention fly airplanes into buildings [aviation content!]. The human race is still evolving. We must be patient. Sorry, I don't have another 100,000 years to wait around. I reserve the right to be impatient. There is no expedient to which a man will not resort to avoid the real labor of thinking. -- Sir Joshua Reynolds Indeed. That is why we have priests and politicians, the twin curses of the human race. -- Dan C172RG at BFM |
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On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 09:29:42 -0600, "Dan Luke"
wrote in : The human race is still evolving. We must be patient. Sorry, I don't have another 100,000 years to wait around. I reserve the right to be impatient. I should have put a :-) after that statement. When you evolve a little further, you'll see that impatience only works against you. :-) |
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"JH" == Jay Honeck writes:
JH I personally find this amazing (he truly doesn't bother me JH that much) A rare occasion when I agree with Jay. What's the big deal with this mxsmanic guy? I have to conclude that it's the newsreader people use; if you don't use any filtering the guy's post and followups are in your face as much as the occasional post related to piloting an airplane. But I would take Jay's pledge a lot more seriously if it included a sacrifice on his part...like not posting his own off-topic **** here. At least mxsmanic's posts are related to aviation. Too often Jay's posts have nothing whatsover to do with aviation, or piloting, and exhibit an offensive bigotry towards some group he doesn't like. These posts then start long followups, for and against, which is what I think Jay really likes--"look what I did! I generated the longest reply chain this month!" So Jay's pledge is meaningless. The real antidote to mxsmanic, Jay's racial rants, and like kind? Do some flying and post your stories. Mine is to follow. -- When Armageddon comes, it would be good to be an Olympic athlete, because running real fast and jumping over stuff could come in handy. - Jack Handey |
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So Jay's pledge is meaningless. The real antidote to mxsmanic, Jay's
racial rants, and like kind? Do some flying and post your stories. "Jay's racial rants"? More tripe from "Bob".... :-( It's people like "Bob" here that make MX look positively pleasant. Everything in "Bob's" world is negative, everyone is out to get him, and anyone who disagrees with "him" must be stupid. Worse, dissenters must be "corrected", preferably in the most unpleasant way. Resorting to slurs is the norm in "Bob's" world. There is no room for counterpoint in "Bob's" world. I would gladly take TEN Mxsmanic's to one "Bob". If personally slanderous posts like this one from "Bob" could be eliminated, Usenet would be a better place, and far more aviation content would be presented here. Sadly, my response will only give "him" the opportunity to produce another vindictive, monotonal, off-kilter whine about all the "idiots" who disagree with "him". But that, after all, is what makes people like "Bob" -- and MX -- tick. Have at it, "Bob". I can hardly wait. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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