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  #51  
Old March 4th 07, 01:17 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Denny
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On Mar 3, 10:56 am, Stefan wrote:
Admittedly I don't know much about the US legal system. But to my
knowledge, sentences are still made by judges and juries, not by
attorneys. So blame the judges, juries and maybe the legal system, but
not the attorneay who just try to make the "best" of it.


Stephan, you have a point... The blame does fall onto the shoulder of
the courts (especially the Supreme Court) and the congress which has
failed to keep the playing field level...

denny

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Old March 4th 07, 01:25 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Denny" wrote

Stephan, you have a point... The blame does fall onto the shoulder of
the courts (especially the Supreme Court) and the congress which has
failed to keep the playing field level...


At the end of the day the blame falls on the plaintiffs, who are willing to
ignore everything they know about what is fair and just, all in the pursuit
of a fast buck.

Lawyers can do nothing without clients.

BDS


  #53  
Old March 4th 07, 01:45 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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BDS schrieb:
At the end of the day the blame falls on the plaintiffs, who are willing to
ignore everything they know about what is fair and just, all in the pursuit
of a fast buck.


If it wouldn't be rewarded, this behaviour would stop pretty fast.
  #54  
Old March 4th 07, 01:59 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Denny" wrote in message ps.com...
:
: Did anybody see the interview of the lawyer representing Anna Nicole Smith's
: mother and how he bilked Dow Corning on the breast implant deal? He made
: millions, Dow Corning went broke, then the FDA said that the implants were
: indeed safe after all. Scum.
: Jim
:
: I will not hijack this thread by going on to the Dow tragedy - but I
: will comment that the plant that made them is near my office and a
: number of the people (now unemployed) who actually made the implants
: came to me and asked my opinion.. As a result I dove into the
: literature and it was crystal clear to me that all the clinical trials
: did not show any problems from the immune system being exposed to
: silicone.. Time and further studies have ony reinforced those
: findings... Just another notch in the gunbelt our unsane legal
: system...
: denny
:

So....now those ex-employees should sue them back?

;-0


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Old March 4th 07, 02:05 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Don Tabor
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On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 13:25:28 GMT, "BDS" wrote:

"Denny" wrote

Stephan, you have a point... The blame does fall onto the shoulder of
the courts (especially the Supreme Court) and the congress which has
failed to keep the playing field level...


At the end of the day the blame falls on the plaintiffs, who are willing to
ignore everything they know about what is fair and just, all in the pursuit
of a fast buck.


In the end, the blame falls on the jurors and the voters.

Don



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Old March 4th 07, 03:03 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
BDS
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"Don Tabor" wrote

At the end of the day the blame falls on the plaintiffs, who are willing

to
ignore everything they know about what is fair and just, all in the

pursuit
of a fast buck.


In the end, the blame falls on the jurors and the voters.


While the jurors are certainly at least partially responsible, there would
be no case without a plaintiff. It all starts with a plaintiff who is
willing to throw away everything they know about responsibility, morals, and
honesty so they can get some easy money.

Consider that many of these cases never make it to court. Defendants
frequently pay the "extortion" money because it is cheaper than actually
defending the case. In each and every one of these situations it takes a
plaintiff who is morally corrupt, and only interested in easy money, to
start the ball rolling.

BDS


  #57  
Old March 4th 07, 07:24 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Thomas Borchert wrote:

Personally, I think FLARM is a dead end, since it is a niche solution
not endorsed by any ATC authority and S mode, TCAS and ultimately ADS-B
do exactly the same thing, will become viable in gliders and integrate
into what the ATCs of the world have in mind. Which, in turn, will lead
to a market size capable of financing certification for onboard units.



Hi Thomas,

I am not sure about Flarm being a dead end.
S mode and TCAS do not solve the problem with fixed obstacle like a
cable or an antenna. Therefore S mode or TCAS is not a complete
substitute of Flarm. In the data base of the European alpine obstacles
more than 54000 objects are saved.

If we talk about powered flying obstacles it would be really great to
have a small, affordable TCAS consuming far less power than today's
units. But how many years will it take? I definitely prefer a affordable
unit that is now available and helps to safe lives now not in a yet
unknown future.


But: The spread of FLARM units in Europe still is impressive.


But it is not only Europe! Have a look at Australia and an Namibia/South
Africa. There is even a compatible product manufactured in Australia
(OzFlarm). Overall their are about 6000 units (Flarm and compatible
products) in use.

Bear


NB Swiss insurance companies supported the development of Flarm. Swiss
insurance companies are well know to be able to judge were they get a
benefit. They apparently came to the conclusion that Flarm decreases the
damage frequency.
  #58  
Old March 4th 07, 08:56 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Larry Dighera
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On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 20:24:09 +0100, Bear wrote in
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S mode and TCAS do not solve the problem with fixed obstacle like a
cable or an antenna.


If S Mode beacons provide Lat., Lon., and Altitude data, it would seem
there may be sufficient information to deal with the issue of fixed
obstacle avoidance.

  #59  
Old March 4th 07, 08:57 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Larry Dighera
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On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 20:24:09 +0100, Bear wrote in
:

S mode and TCAS do not solve the problem with fixed obstacle like a
cable or an antenna.


If S Mode beacons provide Lat., Lon., and Altitude data, it would seem
there may be sufficient information to deal with the issue of fixed
obstacle avoidance, provided, of course, that the obstacle database is
up to date and accurate.

  #60  
Old March 4th 07, 09:28 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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RE Merck taking cases to court -- the same thing happened up at Yale
Med. For a long time their liability insurer would settle nearly
anything. They changed that, self insured, and began defending --
turns out there's a lot (make that a LOT) of cost associated with
bringing a claim, so whoever was suing had to make an important
investment, and the lawyers, working on contingency, began to lose.

Yale's payouts and losses have gone way down since then (at least by
half, if I remember correctly.) The idea was, those 'nickle and dime'
-- (hundreds of thousands of dollar) settlements had added up, and
forcing them to court put a stop to many of them.

The insrurance companies, if you think about it for a bit, have little
to gain by ligating smaller claims. Premiums are adjusted to cover
their 'losses'. On the other hand, if one self insures, as Yale had
been doing (and yes they have big ticket blanket converage as well) a
buck saved in payouts is a buck saved.

The other thing these cases have brought forward is the awful 'rent an
expert' business. There are MDs around who are willing to testify at
the drop of a fee. Many are now discredited -- if their CV of failed
cases is brought to the attention of the jury they find it takes more
than the degree and a goatee to earn respect.

Someone said it's the 98% of the lawyers who give the others a bad
name. The real precentage isn't nearly that high, what needs damning
is the legal system the offers incentives for many of these lawsuits.



On Mar 3, 12:30 pm, Nomen Nescio wrote:
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It doesn't matter whether it makes sense or not. The lawyers for Cirrus will
settle rather than enter into a protracted and even more expensive court
case.


The lawyers for Cory Lidle will win.


I gotta admire Merck for being willing to take each and every Vioxx case
to court. As long as companies are willing to settle these cases "out of
court", they will continue to be a good source of income for lawyers.
Merck, at least, has stood up to the plate and said "If you want some
money, you're gonna have to work for it"
But I do agree with others that we need a "loser pays" system.

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