Pilot Suicides

On Mar 8, 6:20 am, C J Campbell
wrote:
Ah yes. Suicide is such a beautiful, noble thing, according to some people.
This is a trend I would really like to see stop.

You wouldn't let a friend get behind the wheel when they are lagered
up, would you.

It's not something that can be totally elminated, humans are
unpredictable creatures at the best of times, but we must all be
vigilant, not only think "am I safe to fly today", but also "is my
mate safe to fly". If a fellow pilot seems a bit off then tell them
that, if they seem really off then do what you have to if they are
determined to fly.

If I thought you were going to kill your 8 year old daughter I most certainly
would try to prevent it, no matter what your personal opinion of freedom was.

I might even try to prevent you from riding a bicycle without a helmet, if
for no other reason than that I am tired of having my tax and insurance
dollars going to support the paralyzed bozos who thought they had a right to
ride without one.

And that's how we end up in a nanny state. It starts with something
very reasonable, and then something less reasonable, and ends up with
all of us in cages.

Jose
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Is that what happened to you? You are a psycho so you only do ms flight
sim?

Mxsmanic wrote:
C J Campbell writes:


This seems to be getting to be a regular deal. Embry-Riddle instructors
killing themselves on the runway, other divorced pilots deliberately crashing
into houses, people jumping out of airplanes on final and landing on power
lines so that their severed torsos splat a few feet away from small children.

Ah yes. Suicide is such a beautiful, noble thing, according to some people.
This is a trend I would really like to see stop.


Add a psychological evaluation to the medical. The FAA spends too much time
worrying about highly unlikely events such as pilots stroking out at the yoke,
and not enough worrying about other things, such as pilots who are psychos.

RomeoMike wrote:


RomeoMike wrote:



Robert M. Gary wrote:


Surprising that the FBO rented the plane to a student pilot with his
daughter.

-Robert


The Associated Press account I read stated that he had a PPL as of
last fall.


AP probably wrong. The FAA Registry lists three people with names
similar to this guy in Indiana. One of the three was issued a student
certificate 11/06. This is probably the one. The other two don't fit.


This happened at my home airport The guy only had 1 supervised solo

He was able to get the plane because he hid the girl and the FBO thought
he was waiting for the Instructor to show up for a lesson. Which he
did show up for a lesson but for another student he was already airborne

It has been customary for the student to get the keys and preflight the
plane before the Instructor shows up to save time

On Mar 7, 6:39 pm, Jim wrote:
RomeoMike wrote:

RomeoMike wrote:

Robert M. Gary wrote:

Surprising that the FBO rented the plane to a student pilot with his
daughter.

-Robert

The Associated Press account I read stated that he had a PPL as of
last fall.

AP probably wrong. The FAA Registry lists three people with names
similar to this guy in Indiana. One of the three was issued a student
certificate 11/06. This is probably the one. The other two don't fit.

This happened at my home airport The guy only had 1 supervised solo

He was able to get the plane because he hid the girl and the FBO thought
he was waiting for the Instructor to show up for a lesson. Which he
did show up for a lesson but for another student he was already airborne

It has been customary for the student to get the keys and preflight the
plane before the Instructor shows up to save time- Hide quoted text -

Its almost a requirement. You want your student to take his time with
his preflight. I've had students spend 30 minute doing preflight. I
don't want/need to stand a guard every student for 30 minutes watching
him preflight before every flight.

-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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Its almost a requirement. You want your student to take his time with
his preflight. I've had students spend 30 minute doing preflight. I
don't want/need to stand a guard every student for 30 minutes watching
him preflight before every flight.

If a student is going for a flight, with the instructor, and the student is
expected to pre-flight the a/c before the instructor gets there, whjat
happens if there is an incident, and it turns out to be due to something
that should have been picked up in the pre-flight? Surely, any instructor
that values his life, would at least do a brief pre-flight himself,
regardless of whether the student has already done one or not? if the a/c
crashes, it's the instructor who is responsible, because the instructor is
PIC when flying dual with a student.
Crash Lander
-Robert

Surely, any instructor
that values his life, would at least do a brief pre-flight himself,
regardless of whether the student has already done one or not?

Yes. But that doesn't mean that the student needs to be supervised
while he does his own preflight.

Jose
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"Jose" wrote in message
...
Surely, any instructor that values his life, would at least do a brief
pre-flight himself, regardless of whether the student has already done
one or not?

Yes. But that doesn't mean that the student needs to be supervised while
he does his own preflight.

Jose

How then, does it 'save time' if the student does the pre-flight before the
instructor arrives, if the instructor is going to do it again anyway?
Crash Lander

"Crash Lander" wrote in message
...
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
ups.com...
Its almost a requirement. You want your student to take his time with
his preflight. I've had students spend 30 minute doing preflight. I
don't want/need to stand a guard every student for 30 minutes watching
him preflight before every flight.

If a student is going for a flight, with the instructor, and the student
is expected to pre-flight the a/c before the instructor gets there, whjat
happens if there is an incident, and it turns out to be due to something
that should have been picked up in the pre-flight? Surely, any instructor
that values his life, would at least do a brief pre-flight himself,
regardless of whether the student has already done one or not? if the a/c
crashes, it's the instructor who is responsible, because the instructor is
PIC when flying dual with a student.
Crash Lander

Mine always checked the oil, sticked the tanks (and double checked the fuel
caps..) and generally did a basic walk around *after* I'd preflighted. He
was certainly making sure I wasn't going to kill us both but under the guise
of education, he'd always "hey c'mere" me and we'd discuss pitch (while he
checked the elevator), roll (while he checked the ailerons), etc... He
didn't check every nut and bolt like I did (and still do) but he had a right
to protect his butt...

Jay B

How then, does it 'save time' if the student does the pre-flight before the
instructor arrives, if the instructor is going to do it again anyway?

The student's preflight is probably much slower. The instructor's
preflight probably concentrates on a few critical issues. The
instructor probably just flew that airplane a few hours ago. Not so the
student.

Jose
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Humans are pack animals. Above all things, they have a deep need to
follow something, be it a leader, a creed, or a mob. Whosoever fully
understands this holds the world in his hands.
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