ILS sans identification

In article . com,
wrote:

The Instrument rating PTS in section VI.B - (Precision approaches)
says:

"9. Selects, tunes, identifies, and monitors the operational status of
ground and airplane navigation equipment used for the approach."

So at least on checkrides you have a reference...

Ed

But, it doesn't say anything about listening to the morse code. Reading
"IHPN" on the front panel of the radio counts as "identifies" in my book.

On 03/07/07 17:46, Roy Smith wrote:
In article . com,
wrote:

The Instrument rating PTS in section VI.B - (Precision approaches)
says:

"9. Selects, tunes, identifies, and monitors the operational status of
ground and airplane navigation equipment used for the approach."

So at least on checkrides you have a reference...

Ed

But, it doesn't say anything about listening to the morse code. Reading
"IHPN" on the front panel of the radio counts as "identifies" in my book.

Yes. It seems about half the people on this thread thought the question
was whether or not you needed to identify the station, and not do you
need to identify by listening to the morse code, or can you just read
the station ID on the avionics gear.

On Mar 7, 5:51 pm, Mark Hansen wrote:



Yes. It seems about half the people on this thread thought the question
was whether or not you needed to identify the station, and not do you
need to identify by listening to the morse code, or can you just read
the station ID on the avionics gear.

"Anyone have a reference for a requirement to identify an ils or vor
prior to it's use in the USA?
Secondly, is there any reference to the type of identification
required? For example, would checking that the primary flight display
is displaying the correct identifier suffice? Or is there a
stipulation for morse code audible type of identification?

Stan"

Perhaps because both questions were asked.

Stan

It's the same for doing a VOR approach, do you keep the NAV button on
with the ident turned to an unobtrusive level while you are shooting the
approach? If the Morse code goes away it's a clue that the navaid my be
unreliable. Same thing for the ILS.

As for identifying PRIOR to use, that's a no brainer. It will get you
in trouble in an instrument ride if you DON'T identify a navaid when you
want to use it.

wrote:
On Mar 7, 5:51 pm, Mark Hansen wrote:



Yes. It seems about half the people on this thread thought the question
was whether or not you needed to identify the station, and not do you
need to identify by listening to the morse code, or can you just read
the station ID on the avionics gear.


"Anyone have a reference for a requirement to identify an ils or vor
prior to it's use in the USA?
Secondly, is there any reference to the type of identification
required? For example, would checking that the primary flight display
is displaying the correct identifier suffice? Or is there a
stipulation for morse code audible type of identification?

Stan"

Perhaps because both questions were asked.

Stan

On 03/09/07 10:27, Robert Chambers wrote:
It's the same for doing a VOR approach, do you keep the NAV button on
with the ident turned to an unobtrusive level while you are shooting the
approach? If the Morse code goes away it's a clue that the navaid my be
unreliable. Same thing for the ILS.

Well, I was told to use all my nav equipment. So, I've got both VORs tuned
in, as well as the ADF, etc. That's a lot of morse code going on in the
cockpit during the approach.

As far at the VORs and LOCs go, the identification was to make sure you've
got the correct station. The absense of the flags are supposed to tell you
that it is still working.


As for identifying PRIOR to use, that's a no brainer. It will get you
in trouble in an instrument ride if you DON'T identify a navaid when you
want to use it.

Not to mention the problem you can have if you accidentally get the wrong
station ;-\


--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

Mark Hansen wrote:
Not to mention the problem you can have if you accidentally get the wrong
station ;-\

IIRC this happened on a corporate jet flying into a Houston Airport that
was going to pick up George Bush Sr. Right approach plate but wrong
frequency that used on another approach that they failed to identify.

Gerald