Do you have to solo to get current?

"Judah" wrote in message
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It doesn't matter what you call the guy in the right seat. For the purpose
of meeting 61.57, the person in the right seat is not necessary for the
conduct of the flight, and therefore doesn't belong there.


It matters if you call him a pilot. How can you consider someone mearly a
passenger, if they are as qualified to fly the aircraft as the pilot. And if
he is indeed a pilot, you are not carrying a passenger, and you don't have
to meet the requirements of 61.57.

Currency to carry a passenger is what 61.57 is all about.

I see where the guy is going with this, and I for one think he might have a
point.

Not to mention the fact that if both people are qualified to solo the
aircraft, why would the FAA care. They are both pilots and they are not
carrying passengers.

Maxwell wrote:
"Judah" wrote in message
.. .

It doesn't matter what you call the guy in the right seat. For the
purpose of meeting 61.57, the person in the right seat is not
necessary for the conduct of the flight, and therefore doesn't
belong there.

It matters if you call him a pilot. How can you consider someone
mearly a passenger, if they are as qualified to fly the aircraft as
the pilot. And if he is indeed a pilot, you are not carrying a
passenger, and you don't have to meet the requirements of 61.57.

Currency to carry a passenger is what 61.57 is all about.

I see where the guy is going with this, and I for one think he might
have a point.

Not to mention the fact that if both people are qualified to solo the
aircraft, why would the FAA care. They are both pilots and they are
not carrying passengers.

The FAA cares in several situations. Let's take for example my Homebuilt.
For the first 40 hours only one person can be in it at a time. I can't even
have a fully qualified CFI in the plane with me during that Phase 1 time.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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Maxwell wrote:
"Judah" wrote in message
.. .

It doesn't matter what you call the guy in the right seat. For the
purpose of meeting 61.57, the person in the right seat is not
necessary for the conduct of the flight, and therefore doesn't
belong there.

It matters if you call him a pilot. How can you consider someone
mearly a passenger, if they are as qualified to fly the aircraft as
the pilot. And if he is indeed a pilot, you are not carrying a
passenger, and you don't have to meet the requirements of 61.57.

Currency to carry a passenger is what 61.57 is all about.

I see where the guy is going with this, and I for one think he might
have a point.

Not to mention the fact that if both people are qualified to solo the
aircraft, why would the FAA care. They are both pilots and they are
not carrying passengers.

The FAA cares in several situations. Let's take for example my Homebuilt.
For the first 40 hours only one person can be in it at a time. I can't
even have a fully qualified CFI in the plane with me during that Phase 1
time.

And in what way does have anything to do with this topic?

Maxwell wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
...
Maxwell wrote:
"Judah" wrote in message
.. .
It doesn't matter what you call the guy in the right seat. For the
purpose of meeting 61.57, the person in the right seat is not
necessary for the conduct of the flight, and therefore doesn't
belong there.
It matters if you call him a pilot. How can you consider someone
mearly a passenger, if they are as qualified to fly the aircraft as
the pilot. And if he is indeed a pilot, you are not carrying a
passenger, and you don't have to meet the requirements of 61.57.

Currency to carry a passenger is what 61.57 is all about.

I see where the guy is going with this, and I for one think he might
have a point.

Not to mention the fact that if both people are qualified to solo the
aircraft, why would the FAA care. They are both pilots and they are
not carrying passengers.
The FAA cares in several situations. Let's take for example my Homebuilt.
For the first 40 hours only one person can be in it at a time. I can't
even have a fully qualified CFI in the plane with me during that Phase 1
time.

And in what way does have anything to do with this topic?



I was giving an example where the FAA would care. It is a similar
situation where the flight would be legal with one of two pilots on
board but not both of the pilots at the same time.

If you don't see the similarity you are either stupid or a troll.

"601XL Builder" wrDOTgiacona@suddenlinkDOTnet wrote in message
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Maxwell wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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Maxwell wrote:
"Judah" wrote in message
.. .
It doesn't matter what you call the guy in the right seat. For the
purpose of meeting 61.57, the person in the right seat is not
necessary for the conduct of the flight, and therefore doesn't
belong there.
It matters if you call him a pilot. How can you consider someone
mearly a passenger, if they are as qualified to fly the aircraft as
the pilot. And if he is indeed a pilot, you are not carrying a
passenger, and you don't have to meet the requirements of 61.57.

Currency to carry a passenger is what 61.57 is all about.

I see where the guy is going with this, and I for one think he might
have a point.

Not to mention the fact that if both people are qualified to solo the
aircraft, why would the FAA care. They are both pilots and they are
not carrying passengers.
The FAA cares in several situations. Let's take for example my
Homebuilt. For the first 40 hours only one person can be in it at a
time. I can't even have a fully qualified CFI in the plane with me
during that Phase 1 time.

And in what way does have anything to do with this topic?



I was giving an example where the FAA would care. It is a similar
situation where the flight would be legal with one of two pilots on board
but not both of the pilots at the same time.

If you don't see the similarity you are either stupid or a troll.

No, I'm not stupid, and I'm certainly not a troll.

You want to compare as sutation where you have,

two certifed pilots, each flying the same certified airplane individually,

to two certified pilots, flying in the same certified airplane at the same
time,

to a builder flying the initial 40 hours off an amauter build aircraft.

In no way are either of the first two examples in any way related to a test
pilot flying and unknown ship during it's it's initial 40 hours.

"Maxwell" wrote in
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"Judah" wrote in message
.. .

It doesn't matter what you call the guy in the right seat. For the
purpose of meeting 61.57, the person in the right seat is not necessary
for the conduct of the flight, and therefore doesn't belong there.


It matters if you call him a pilot. How can you consider someone mearly
a passenger, if they are as qualified to fly the aircraft as the pilot.
And if he is indeed a pilot, you are not carrying a passenger, and you
don't have to meet the requirements of 61.57.

Currency to carry a passenger is what 61.57 is all about.

I see where the guy is going with this, and I for one think he might
have a point.

Not to mention the fact that if both people are qualified to solo the
aircraft, why would the FAA care. They are both pilots and they are not
carrying passengers.

Based on Paragraph (2) of 61.57, it doesn't matter whether the other guy is
qualified to solo. If the flight is used to establish currency (ie: you
count the takeoffs and landings toward your 90 day requirement) then it
violates paragraph (2) to have anyone at all in the right seat if you are
PIC.

If you do it with an instructor, that instructor is PIC for the flight.

If you do it with a current pilot, that pilot is PIC for the flight.

If you do it with a dog, you violate.

If you do it with a fat woman named Betty, you violate.

If you do it with a package that you are dropping off at a friends house,
you violate.

The only exception I can see is if you don't log the takeoffs and landings.
However, the wording in 61.57 refers to MAKING takeoffs and landings, not
logging them, so even making a takeoff or landing without logging it might
be a violation.


I see his point, too. But it's written in black and white (well, depends on
the screen colors, anyway).

On Mar 9, 4:35 pm, Judah wrote:
Based on Paragraph (2) of 61.57, it doesn't matter whether the other guy is
qualified to solo. If the flight is used to establish currency (ie: you
count the takeoffs and landings toward your 90 day requirement) then it
violates paragraph (2) to have anyone at all in the right seat if you are
PIC.

If you do it with an instructor, that instructor is PIC for the flight.

If you do it with a current pilot, that pilot is PIC for the flight.

If you do it with a dog, you violate.

If you do it with a fat woman named Betty, you violate.

If you do it with a package that you are dropping off at a friends house,
you violate.

The only exception I can see is if you don't log the takeoffs and landings.
However, the wording in 61.57 refers to MAKING takeoffs and landings, not
logging them, so even making a takeoff or landing without logging it might
be a violation.


This is absolute non-sense. 61.57 (2) just allows a pilot who cannot
comply with 61.57 (1) to do a legal flight in order to regain
currency, in aircraft certified for more than one pilot (because if
you don't need more than one pilot then 61.57 allows you to do the
flight).
What you are saying implies that I can't count any flights I do with
passengers for currency purposes, which doesn't make any sense either.
And saying that a flight can be legal or not legal depending on the
fact that you log or not log the landings is non-sense as well.
You have completely misinterpreted 61.57 (2)