Do you have to solo to get current?

On 3/9/2007 8:33:12 AM, Judah wrote:



Absolutely and without question, there is always one and only one Pilot in
Command, even if more than one person has the right to log themselves as
Pilot In Command, only one person meets the definition of FAR Part 1.

No it doesn't, read 1.1 again.
Pilot in command can be designated either before or DURING the flight.

By your definition, if the second "Pilot" is not a "passenger", a non-
current pilot could be allowed to carry him without violating 61.57.
However, section (2) clearly says that he cannot fly with anything in the
plane that is not necessary for the flight "for the purpose of meeting the
requirements of paragraph (a)(1)" (ie: as sole manipulator of the controls
during take-off and landing).

I will be the first to admit, that is the most confusing, and possibly
damning verbage I can find in the regs relative to this whole *proposed*
concept.

But I also can't find anything in the regs that would forbid two pilots from
piloting an aircraft that only requires one pilot. Just that only one can log
the flight time, and 1.1 states pilots can share that duty on the same
flight.

If so, you have a flight with two pilots, and no passengers, and 61.57
doesn't apply in part, or in whole. Because 61.57 is all about currency for
carrying passengers.





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Skidder

"Skidder" wrote in
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On 3/9/2007 8:33:12 AM, Judah wrote:



Absolutely and without question, there is always one and only one Pilot
in Command, even if more than one person has the right to log themselves
as Pilot In Command, only one person meets the definition of FAR Part 1.

No it doesn't, read 1.1 again.
Pilot in command can be designated either before or DURING the flight.

Sure, two pilots in an aircraft can agree to change their roles during the
flight. But only one can be the Pilot In Command at any given moment.

By your definition, if the second "Pilot" is not a "passenger", a non-
current pilot could be allowed to carry him without violating 61.57.
However, section (2) clearly says that he cannot fly with anything in
the plane that is not necessary for the flight "for the purpose of
meeting the requirements of paragraph (a)(1)" (ie: as sole manipulator
of the controls during take-off and landing).

I will be the first to admit, that is the most confusing, and possibly
damning verbage I can find in the regs relative to this whole *proposed*
concept.

But I also can't find anything in the regs that would forbid two pilots
from piloting an aircraft that only requires one pilot. Just that only
one can log the flight time, and 1.1 states pilots can share that duty
on the same flight.

If so, you have a flight with two pilots, and no passengers, and 61.57
doesn't apply in part, or in whole. Because 61.57 is all about currency
for carrying passengers.

I disagree with your interpretation of 1.1 (as noted in a separate post).
Being able to change the pilot in command during a flight does not in any
way imply that more than one person can be pilot in command at a time.

I agree with your final paragraph if the second pilot is not considered a
passenger, but I do not agree that the second pilot is not considered a
passenger.

Regardless, if there is no passenger on a flight with a crewmember who is
not required for the safe conduct of the flight, the flight cannot be used
to establish currency for carrying passengers in the future, according to
paragraph (2). The pilot, if he eventually went to carry a passenger, would
need to have taken off and landed 3 times BESIDES this flight in order to
be permitted to carry that passenger.

If a pilot never carries passengers, he never needs to have 3 takeoffs and
landings in the previous 90 days.