What do you do in the real world?

In article ,
Tim wrote:



This is not a matter of opinion. My clearance limit was an airport
(KVNY to be precise).

So, if your clearance limit is the airport, then why do you go to the
airport then the IAF?

Because that's what the regs say. You are the one saying I should be
following the regs.

You should go to an IAF, then land at your
clearance limit - which is the airport.

An odd bit of advice from someone who believes that one should follow
the regs and not improvise.

Here is another question - how would you navigate to the airport, unless
on an IAP?

I enter the airport's identifier into my GPS and hit the "direct" button.

When would you ever use the airport as a fix and not the destination?

When it is my clearance limit. Are we done with the pop quiz now?

that he is to fly to that airport, THEN navigate to an IAF to do an
approach.


That is what the regs say to do.

So how in the world would I navigate to the airport using just a VOR?

Non-sequitur. I filed /G. But let me ask you: how would YOU fly direct
from SNS to an IAP for KVNY using just a VOR?

The only way to do it is to use an IAP.

Wow, you really are clueless, aren't you. Are you not aware of the
existence of IFR-certified GPS? (Are you even a pilot?)

Right, but you were also unaware of what to do when reaching a clearance
limit with no more instructions and no published hold.

You should look up the aphorism about people who live in glass houses.

rg

Ron Garret wrote:
In article ,
Tim wrote:



This is not a matter of opinion. My clearance limit was an airport
(KVNY to be precise).

So, if your clearance limit is the airport, then why do you go to the
airport then the IAF?


Because that's what the regs say. You are the one saying I should be
following the regs.

I give up.



You should go to an IAF, then land at your
clearance limit - which is the airport.


An odd bit of advice from someone who believes that one should follow
the regs and not improvise.


Here is another question - how would you navigate to the airport, unless
on an IAP?


I enter the airport's identifier into my GPS and hit the "direct" button.


And those of us without that magical device? The way to navigate to the
clearance limit - the airport, is to use the IAP. In these cases, any
one that you choose. So, once again, you do NOT go to the airport and
circle around it and hang out. You go to an IAF, then to your clearance
limit and land. What good does it do to be at your destination which is
your clearance limit at 10000 ft?


When would you ever use the airport as a fix and not the destination?


When it is my clearance limit. Are we done with the pop quiz now?

Ugh. we are going round and round...



that he is to fly to that airport, THEN navigate to an IAF to do an
approach.


That is what the regs say to do.

So how in the world would I navigate to the airport using just a VOR?


Non-sequitur. I filed /G. But let me ask you: how would YOU fly direct
from SNS to an IAP for KVNY using just a VOR?


The only way to do it is to use an IAP.


Wow, you really are clueless, aren't you. Are you not aware of the
existence of IFR-certified GPS? (Are you even a pilot?)

I am not the clueless one, Mr Pot. Shall I reintroduce your suggestion
of making **** up when reaching a clearance limit and not having any
further instructions?

My plane does not have a GPS. the regs have to work for me too.

Yes, I am a pilot.


Right, but you were also unaware of what to do when reaching a clearance
limit with no more instructions and no published hold.


You should look up the aphorism about people who live in glass houses.

Yes, Mr. Pot.


rg

In article , Tim
wrote:

And those of us without that magical device?

You would not have been able to navigate direct from SNS to KVNY (or any
of its IAFs) so this whole discussion would have been moot.

rg