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Old March 17th 07, 06:55 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Steven P. McNicoll
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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On our flight from Memphis, TN to Iowa City, IA, today, we were
diverted around the Lindbergh MOA.


Congratulations! When did you add the instrument rating?


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Old March 17th 07, 10:51 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
BT
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If I'm getting flight following... and the ATC controller recommends a
divert around a HOT MOA.. and I refuse...
I can expect his next transmission to be, "Roger, radar service terminated,
squawk 1200, good day and good luck."

BT

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...

On our flight from Memphis, TN to Iowa City, IA, today, we were
diverted around the Lindbergh MOA.


Congratulations! When did you add the instrument rating?



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Old March 17th 07, 11:33 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"BT" wrote in message
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If I'm getting flight following... and the ATC controller recommends a
divert around a HOT MOA.. and I refuse...
I can expect his next transmission to be, "Roger, radar service
terminated, squawk 1200, good day and good luck."


Why do you expect that?


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Old March 18th 07, 10:52 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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I have been on both sides of the mic. If a VFR aircraft chooses to proceed
through a HOT MOA and mix it up with fast fighters doing ACM (air combat
maneuvers) and I am not controlling the fighters.

He is on his own.

BT

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
news

"BT" wrote in message
...

If I'm getting flight following... and the ATC controller recommends a
divert around a HOT MOA.. and I refuse...
I can expect his next transmission to be, "Roger, radar service
terminated, squawk 1200, good day and good luck."


Why do you expect that?



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Old March 18th 07, 11:00 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Steven P. McNicoll
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"BT" wrote in message
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I have been on both sides of the mic. If a VFR aircraft chooses to proceed
through a HOT MOA and mix it up with fast fighters doing ACM (air combat
maneuvers) and I am not controlling the fighters.

He is on his own.


Weak stick.


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Old March 19th 07, 12:33 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote

Weak stick.


How so? He was advised to go around, and chose not to. If it was a good
idea to go through, he would not have suggested to go around.

I would not fault a controller not wanting any part of a flight through a
hot MOA. Are you saying that you would be happy to continue being
responsible, as a controller, for a plane flying through a hot MOA?
--
Jim in NC


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Old March 23rd 07, 09:27 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Steven P. McNicoll
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"Morgans" wrote in message
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How so? He was advised to go around, and chose not to. If it was a good
idea to go through, he would not have suggested to go around.


Not the pilot, "weak stick" refers to a poor controller. BT said he has
been on both sides of the mic, and would terminate flight following for an
aircraft that chose to go through a hot MOA.



I would not fault a controller not wanting any part of a flight through a
hot MOA. Are you saying that you would be happy to continue being
responsible, as a controller, for a plane flying through a hot MOA?


Been there, done that. But ATC is not responsible for separation between
the using aircraft and VFR aircraft that choose to fly through a MOA.
Flight following is simply traffic advisories.


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Old March 18th 07, 12:14 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jay Honeck
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On our flight from Memphis, TN to Iowa City, IA, today, we were
diverted around the Lindbergh MOA.


Congratulations! When did you add the instrument rating?


While it's true that the controller "suggested" a heading of 360 to
stay clear of the Lindbergh MOA(s), I believe any good airman would
follow that suggestion.

There was a VFR Navajo in the MOA (on a photo mission of some sort)
that the controller was working the fighters around/above, and you
could tell that it was quite a PIA for all concerned. If my
diversion helped keep our boys (and me) safer, it was worth every pint
of (stupidly expensive) avgas.

I've flown close to F-15s when they were in the pattern to land, and
it was as if I was standing absolutely stock-still. I can't imagine
what flying near them during mock combat in an MOA would be like.
(Actually, it would be cool to see, but...)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

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Old March 18th 07, 03:42 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Steven P. McNicoll
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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While it's true that the controller "suggested" a heading of 360 to
stay clear of the Lindbergh MOA(s), I believe any good airman would
follow that suggestion.


I choose to avoid MOAs as well, but choosing to follow an ATC suggestion is
not being diverted by ATC.


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Old March 18th 07, 09:46 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jay Honeck
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I choose to avoid MOAs as well, but choosing to follow an ATC suggestion is
not being diverted by ATC.


And choosing to discuss this with you is not being diverted by logic.

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

 




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