Flying from North America to Hawaii

On Mar 18, 10:25 am, (Robert Bonomi)
wrote:
Have you looked at a map?

Does it occur to you that just "an island" is *NOT* sufficient?
That you need 'services' -- like being able to buy fuel -- as well?

Do you think any such island would be big enough to have a post office?
Are there any such places listed in the USPS zip-code directory?
What _other_country_ might such an island be a part of?

Do you have the right kind of comm radios?
Do you have _enough_engines_? Can you 'glide' 1500+ miles after a failure?
Is your plane certified for ETOPS? Are _you_ multi-engine rated?

Do you have a co-pilot? Have you computed *how*many*hours* you'll be in
the air without a break?

are you *REALLY* that stupid?

Not need to resort to flaming. I assumed when he mentioned "islands"
in between that he would have been naturally referring to islands with
sufficient facilities to handle his hypothetical trip.

IF it is even a hypothetical trip. He might be trying to call BS on a
friend's story, or might just be curious. Nothing about his post led
me to believe that he was straping himself in getting ready to head to
Hawaii but just checking with us one last time. Cut the man some
slack .

Mike Gaskins

"Mike Gaskins" wrote ...

Not need to resort to flaming. I assumed when he mentioned "islands"
in between that he would have been naturally referring to islands with
sufficient facilities to handle his hypothetical trip.

IF it is even a hypothetical trip. He might be trying to call BS on a
friend's story, or might just be curious. Nothing about his post led
me to believe that he was straping himself in getting ready to head to
Hawaii but just checking with us one last time. Cut the man some
slack .

You're wrong Mike. It was a dumb question and shows the utter failure of the
modern elementary school system.

I think all of us have gone out for a ten thousand dollar hamburger at
Amelia's at one time or another.

Rich

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"Mike Gaskins" wrote:

On Mar 18, 10:25 am, (Robert Bonomi)
wrote:
Have you looked at a map?

Does it occur to you that just "an island" is *NOT* sufficient?
That you need 'services' -- like being able to buy fuel -- as well?

Do you think any such island would be big enough to have a post office?
Are there any such places listed in the USPS zip-code directory?
What _other_country_ might such an island be a part of?

Do you have the right kind of comm radios?
Do you have _enough_engines_? Can you 'glide' 1500+ miles after a failure?
Is your plane certified for ETOPS? Are _you_ multi-engine rated?

Do you have a co-pilot? Have you computed *how*many*hours* you'll be in
the air without a break?

are you *REALLY* that stupid?

Not need to resort to flaming. I assumed when he mentioned "islands"
in between that he would have been naturally referring to islands with
sufficient facilities to handle his hypothetical trip.

IF it is even a hypothetical trip. He might be trying to call BS on a
friend's story, or might just be curious. Nothing about his post led
me to believe that he was straping himself in getting ready to head to
Hawaii but just checking with us one last time. Cut the man some
slack .

Mike Gaskins

The mainland/Hawaii leg is the longest overwater leg on the planet.
There are NO intervening islands (perhaps an aircraft carrier or two --
just try taking off if you land on one).

("Orval Fairbairn" wrote)
The mainland/Hawaii leg is the longest overwater leg on the planet.
There are NO intervening islands (perhaps an aircraft carrier or two --
just try taking off if you land on one).


Just try NOT taking off if they press the launch button!


Montblack

"Montblack" wrote

Just try NOT taking off if they press the launch button!

Not hard at all........

Just sit back and watch your nosewheel get launched! ggg
--
Jim in NC

"Mike Gaskins" wrote in message
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On Mar 18, 10:25 am, (Robert Bonomi)
wrote:
Have you looked at a map?

Does it occur to you that just "an island" is *NOT* sufficient?
That you need 'services' -- like being able to buy fuel -- as well?

Do you think any such island would be big enough to have a post office?
Are there any such places listed in the USPS zip-code directory?
What _other_country_ might such an island be a part of?

Do you have the right kind of comm radios?
Do you have _enough_engines_? Can you 'glide' 1500+ miles after a
failure?
Is your plane certified for ETOPS? Are _you_ multi-engine rated?

Do you have a co-pilot? Have you computed *how*many*hours* you'll be in
the air without a break?

are you *REALLY* that stupid?

Not need to resort to flaming. I assumed when he mentioned "islands"
in between that he would have been naturally referring to islands with
sufficient facilities to handle his hypothetical trip.

IF it is even a hypothetical trip. He might be trying to call BS on a
friend's story, or might just be curious. Nothing about his post led
me to believe that he was straping himself in getting ready to head to
Hawaii but just checking with us one last time. Cut the man some
slack .

Mike Gaskins


Well, there is the Adak - Midway - Honolulu route. I think the longest
leg, Adak/Midway is about 1400nm.

See Dave Lear's ancient article "The Colonel goes to Hawaii"

Al G

"Al G" wrote:
Well, there is the Adak - Midway - Honolulu route. I think the
longest leg, Adak/Midway is about 1400nm.

It may be showing incorrect results, but the Google Earth product's
measuring tool shows the distance from Adak, Ak to Midway Atoll at about
1800 nm.

The only other route (not all the intermediate steps worked out!) seems to
be:

Aleution island chain - Yokohama, Japan - due south to Saipan via another
chain of islands - Palikir Island via some other possible smaller island
stops - Wake Island - Midway Atoll.

The Wake/Midway leg appears to be about 1200 sm or ~1040 nm.

"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
.. .
"Al G" wrote:
Well, there is the Adak - Midway - Honolulu route. I think the
longest leg, Adak/Midway is about 1400nm.

It may be showing incorrect results, but the Google Earth product's
measuring tool shows the distance from Adak, Ak to Midway Atoll at about
1800 nm.

The only other route (not all the intermediate steps worked out!) seems to
be:

Aleution island chain - Yokohama, Japan - due south to Saipan via
another
chain of islands - Palikir Island via some other possible smaller island
stops - Wake Island - Midway Atoll.

The Wake/Midway leg appears to be about 1200 sm or ~1040 nm.

A lat/long calculation showed 1421nm, but it is still a long way. I think my
longest
solo/single engine leg was around 2100nm. At least coming from the West your
odds of a tailwind are improved.

Al G

Al G wrote:

A lat/long calculation showed 1421nm, but it is still a long way. I think my
longest solo/single engine leg was around 2100nm.

I think it would take a massive set of balls to fly a single
piston-engined plane anywhere near that far over water. A life raft
suitable for saving your ass would be around 50 to 80 pounds that would
be needed for fuel.

I wouldn't try it in anything smaller than a Lear jet.

Your mileage may very but I'm partial to saving my ass... ;o)

Tony

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Al G wrote:

A lat/long calculation showed 1421nm, but it is still a long way. I think
my longest solo/single engine leg was around 2100nm.

I think it would take a massive set of balls to fly a single
piston-engined plane anywhere near that far over water. A life raft
suitable for saving your ass would be around 50 to 80 pounds that would be
needed for fuel.

I wouldn't try it in anything smaller than a Lear jet.

Your mileage may very but I'm partial to saving my ass... ;o)

Tony

When we first looked at this, we were talking about taking the Lear. It
was an old 24B, (pure jets, no fans), and if it could do 1400nm, it would be
with a good tailwind, thinking clean thoughts, and NO reserve. Imagine
losing a cabin outflow valve or pressurization control about halfway. You'd
have to descend to fl240, until you ran out of O2, then 14,000, and then you
wouldn't have the fuel to get to land anywhere. Getting out of the lear
after ditching would not be easier than a light Cessna. As a recent ferry
pilot said: "Sometimes you get wet."

Let us not under-rate saving the Pilot's ass.

Al G