OLC broken ?

On Mar 19, 11:21 am, "Mike the Strike" wrote:
On Mar 19, 10:48 am, "Dan" wrote:

On Mar 19, 8:24 am, "Mike the Strike" wrote:

I posted my flight on Sunday evening using See You's saved olc file
feature and my flight appeared within 5 seconds.

Nice to get over 12,000 feet in March!

Mike

Mike,
What version of SeeYou did you use?

See You Version 3.5



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I use version 3.4 but I haven't tried uploading to OLC with it this
year. I don't think it will work with the new version of OLC. I
haven't felt the need to upgrade from 3.4, uploading directly to OLC
seems to work great.
Dan Rihn

On Mar 19, 5:59 pm, "Dan" wrote:
On Mar 19, 11:21 am, "Mike the Strike" wrote:





On Mar 19, 10:48 am, "Dan" wrote:

On Mar 19, 8:24 am, "Mike the Strike" wrote:

I posted my flight on Sunday evening using See You's saved olc file
feature and my flight appeared within 5 seconds.

Nice to get over 12,000 feet in March!

Mike

Mike,
What version of SeeYou did you use?

See You Version 3.5

Dan Rihn- Hide quoted text -

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I use version 3.4 but I haven't tried uploading to OLC with it this
year. I don't think it will work with the new version of OLC. I
haven't felt the need to upgrade from 3.4, uploading directly to OLC
seems to work great.
Dan Rihn- Hide quoted text -

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You should always use the latest version of your software. As problems
are discovered, the vendors make updates, and there is no sense having
problems that are already solved. SeeYou is also testing a beta
version to deal with a strange data transmission issue with the new
OLC interface where "+" signs get corrupted in transmission, causing
validation to fail. This affects C302+ users, but could also randomly
affect anyone if there is a "+" sign in the digital signature.

If your software fails to work, please try direct claim as an
alternate. As noted above in this thread, it is very easy now in OLC
2.0.

You should get an email receipt for your claim with your score when
the server finishes procesing your claim. To receive this email, make
sure your email address is correct in your OLC registration, and
"white list" onlinecontest.org if you are using a spam blocker. The
email will have a link to your claim record--be sure to send this when
you request support since it lets us find your claim immediately. You
can reply to the email, or forward it to your national OLC
administrator for help. The national admin also gets a copy of
notification emails for claims that do not score to alert them to any
problems.

Finally, for those of us in the western hemishpere, we have to be a
little patient. The developers are in Europe, and are usually sleeping
when we are claiming. So if the OLC server has a problem during the
night, we usually have to wait until morning for them to fix it. The
OLC is an all volunteer orginization, and it is not possible to pay
"night operators" to stand by for problems. So if your claim does not
go through right away, go to bed, and check your email in the
morning.

Doug Haluza
SSA-OLC Admin

Doug Haluza wrote:


You should always use the latest version of your software. As problems
are discovered, the vendors make updates, and there is no sense having
problems that are already solved. SeeYou is also testing a beta
version to deal with a strange data transmission issue with the new
OLC interface where "+" signs get corrupted in transmission, causing
validation to fail. This affects C302+ users, but could also randomly
affect anyone if there is a "+" sign in the digital signature.

If your software fails to work, please try direct claim as an
alternate. As noted above in this thread, it is very easy now in OLC
2.0.

Does that work for CAI files? If so, what is the procedure to be used
when posting such a file? Save as IGC file in SeeYou, then direct post
that? Or just direct post the CAI file? Or something else?

I tried to make my first OLC claim on Sunday and Monday for my 3/17/07
flight and I must say it's been a hassle. My claim was declared
"validation not successful". I used a GPS-NAV 20. On Sunday, I
converted the .cai file to .igc using AeroExplorer. I then prepared
the claim in SeeYou. I went to the OLC site and tried to upload by
"Prepared Claim". File was not uploaded. I then tried to upload the
claim through SeeYou. No upload. On Monday, I tried the OLC site
"Direct Claim" method and the .igc file uploaded ok but it was
invalid. I then converted the .cai file to .igc using the Cambridge
DOS program. Deleted the previously uploaded file and uploaded the
new .igc file again using "Direct Claim". Still invalid. The .cai file
passed vali-cam.exe with no problem. I emailed support by replying to
the email I received from the OLC Result Notifier but have not yet
heard anything.
Steve

On Mar 20, 1:53 am, "Doug Haluza" wrote:
On Mar 19, 5:59 pm, "Dan" wrote:



On Mar 19, 11:21 am, "Mike the Strike" wrote:

On Mar 19, 10:48 am, "Dan" wrote:

On Mar 19, 8:24 am, "Mike the Strike" wrote:

I posted my flight on Sunday evening using See You's saved olc file
feature and my flight appeared within 5 seconds.

Nice to get over 12,000 feet in March!

Mike

Mike,
What version of SeeYou did you use?

See You Version 3.5

Dan Rihn- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I use version 3.4 but I haven't tried uploading to OLC with it this
year. I don't think it will work with the new version of OLC. I
haven't felt the need to upgrade from 3.4, uploading directly to OLC
seems to work great.
Dan Rihn- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You should always use the latest version of your software. As problems
are discovered, the vendors make updates, and there is no sense having
problems that are already solved. SeeYou is also testing a beta
version to deal with a strange data transmission issue with the new
OLC interface where "+" signs get corrupted in transmission, causing
validation to fail. This affects C302+ users, but could also randomly
affect anyone if there is a "+" sign in the digital signature.

If your software fails to work, please try direct claim as an
alternate. As noted above in this thread, it is very easy now in OLC
2.0.

You should get an email receipt for your claim with your score when
the server finishes procesing your claim. To receive this email, make
sure your email address is correct in your OLC registration, and
"white list" onlinecontest.org if you are using a spam blocker. The
email will have a link to your claim record--be sure to send this when
you request support since it lets us find your claim immediately. You
can reply to the email, or forward it to your national OLC
administrator for help. The national admin also gets a copy of
notification emails for claims that do not score to alert them to any
problems.

Finally, for those of us in the western hemishpere, we have to be a
little patient. The developers are in Europe, and are usually sleeping
when we are claiming. So if the OLC server has a problem during the
night, we usually have to wait until morning for them to fix it. The
OLC is an all volunteer orginization, and it is not possible to pay
"night operators" to stand by for problems. So if your claim does not
go through right away, go to bed, and check your email in the
morning.

Doug Haluza
SSA-OLC Admin

I was uploading files for several people this weekend. The igc files were
from a Volkslogger. I was unsuccessful in submitting the claim directly
thru SeeYou v3.7. I was successful in having SeeYou prepare the claim file
and then uploading it. The first time I tried a couple of them, I got some
long error list screen. I waited a short while and was able to upload
exactly the same file successfully.

John Scott

wrote:
I tried to make my first OLC claim on Sunday and Monday for my 3/17/07
flight and I must say it's been a hassle. My claim was declared
"validation not successful". I used a GPS-NAV 20. On Sunday, I
converted the .cai file to .igc using AeroExplorer. I then prepared
the claim in SeeYou. I went to the OLC site and tried to upload by
"Prepared Claim". File was not uploaded. I then tried to upload the
claim through SeeYou. No upload. On Monday, I tried the OLC site
"Direct Claim" method and the .igc file uploaded ok but it was
invalid. I then converted the .cai file to .igc using the Cambridge
DOS program. Deleted the previously uploaded file and uploaded the
new .igc file again using "Direct Claim". Still invalid. The .cai file
passed vali-cam.exe with no problem. I emailed support by replying to
the email I received from the OLC Result Notifier but have not yet
heard anything.
Steve

The OLC requires some special handling for logs from legacy Cambridge
flight recorders (Model 10, 20, and 25). SeeYou (v3.6 or higher) does
that quite easily if you open the *.cai file directly. It will generate
the *.igc file with the *.cai file encoded and appended onto the end.
The prepared claim should definitely work, not sure if the bugs are out
of the direct claim from SeeYou method yet. But you must open the *.cai
file with SeeYou, not an *.igc file generated by AeroExplorer or the
Cambridge DOS program. The details for doing this manually without
SeeYou are found in item 10 on the Help page (Help button is at bottom
right of OLC page).

This is the same process for OLC 2.0 as last year.

wrote:
I tried to make my first OLC claim on Sunday and Monday for my 3/17/07
flight and I must say it's been a hassle. My claim was declared
"validation not successful". I used a GPS-NAV 20. On Sunday, I
converted the .cai file to .igc using AeroExplorer. I then prepared
the claim in SeeYou. I went to the OLC site and tried to upload by
"Prepared Claim". File was not uploaded. I then tried to upload the
claim through SeeYou. No upload. On Monday, I tried the OLC site
"Direct Claim" method and the .igc file uploaded ok but it was
invalid. I then converted the .cai file to .igc using the Cambridge
DOS program. Deleted the previously uploaded file and uploaded the
new .igc file again using "Direct Claim". Still invalid. The .cai file
passed vali-cam.exe with no problem. I emailed support by replying to
the email I received from the OLC Result Notifier but have not yet
heard anything.
Steve

The OLC requires some special handling for logs from legacy Cambridge
flight recorders (Model 10, 20, and 25). SeeYou (v3.6 or higher) does
that quite easily if you open the *.cai file directly. It will generate
the *.igc file with the *.cai file encoded and appended onto the end.
The prepared claim should definitely work, not sure if the bugs are out
of the direct claim from SeeYou method yet. But you must open the *.cai
file with SeeYou, not an *.igc file generated by AeroExplorer or the
Cambridge DOS program. The details for doing this manually without
SeeYou are found in item 10 on the Help page (Help button is at bottom
right of OLC page).

This is the same process for OLC 2.0 as last year.

On Mar 23, 7:14 am, ZL wrote:
wrote:
I tried to make my first OLC claim on Sunday and Monday for my 3/17/07
flight and I must say it's been a hassle. My claim was declared
"validation not successful". I used a GPS-NAV 20. On Sunday, I
converted the .cai file to .igc using AeroExplorer. I then prepared
the claim in SeeYou. I went to the OLC site and tried to upload by
"Prepared Claim". File was not uploaded. I then tried to upload the
claim through SeeYou. No upload. On Monday, I tried the OLC site
"Direct Claim" method and the .igc file uploaded ok but it was
invalid. I then converted the .cai file to .igc using the Cambridge
DOS program. Deleted the previously uploaded file and uploaded the
new .igc file again using "Direct Claim". Still invalid. The .cai file
passed vali-cam.exe with no problem. I emailed support by replying to
the email I received from the OLC Result Notifier but have not yet
heard anything.
Steve

The OLC requires some special handling for logs from legacy Cambridge
flight recorders (Model 10, 20, and 25). SeeYou (v3.6 or higher) does
that quite easily if you open the *.cai file directly. It will generate
the *.igc file with the *.cai file encoded and appended onto the end.
The prepared claim should definitely work, not sure if the bugs are out
of the direct claim from SeeYou method yet. But you must open the *.cai
file with SeeYou, not an *.igc file generated by AeroExplorer or the
Cambridge DOS program. The details for doing this manually without
SeeYou are found in item 10 on the Help page (Help button is at bottom
right of OLC page).

This is the same process for OLC 2.0 as last year.

Thanks for the info ZL. I didn't try opening the .cai file with SeeYou
but I did try the "prepared claim" on the OLC page with a file
prepared by SeeYou and the file didn't even start to upload. I also
noticed that there is a bit of a contradiction on the OLC page. If you
click on Claim Flight, it states under Direct Claim that this is the
most simple and safest way of flight claiming. If you click on
Information, it states that Method 2 the prepared claim is the safest
method.

I'll try what you suggested with SeeYou on my next flight.
Steve

On Mar 20, 5:53 am, "Doug Haluza" wrote:

You should always use the latest version of your software. As problems
are discovered, the vendors make updates, and there is no sense having
problems that are already solved. SeeYou is also testing a beta
version to deal with a strange data transmission issue with the new
OLC interface where "+" signs get corrupted in transmission, causing
validation to fail. This affects C302+ users, but could also randomly
affect anyone if there is a "+" sign in the digital signature.

SeeYou just released version 3.65 today, presumably with the fix for
the C302 OLC upload from the beta version. Be sure to download it if
you are a SeeYou user with current upgrade support. The web site shows
this as V3.62 on the download page, but will show v3.65 when you
install it.

Doug Haluza
SSA-OLC Admin

Doug Haluza wrote:
On Mar 20, 5:53 am, "Doug Haluza" wrote:
You should always use the latest version of your software. As problems
are discovered, the vendors make updates, and there is no sense having
problems that are already solved. SeeYou is also testing a beta
version to deal with a strange data transmission issue with the new
OLC interface where "+" signs get corrupted in transmission, causing
validation to fail. This affects C302+ users, but could also randomly
affect anyone if there is a "+" sign in the digital signature.

SeeYou just released version 3.65 today, presumably with the fix for
the C302 OLC upload from the beta version. Be sure to download it if
you are a SeeYou user with current upgrade support. The web site shows
this as V3.62 on the download page, but will show v3.65 when you
install it.

Doug Haluza
SSA-OLC Admin




SeeYou still appears to be doing the OLC optimization different from the
OLC software. For purposes of the 1000 meter rule between the start and
end of the flight, OLC appears to take the height between the start and
end of the scored flight, while SeeYou appears to take it between
release from tow and the end of scored flight. Most of the time, this
doesn't matter.

However, it does matter under the right conditions. I had a flight
about a month ago (February 16) where the OLC score (direct upload) was
more than 20 points less than the SeeYou optimization. And today, the
OLC score (direct upload) was slightly higher than the SeeYou optimization.

Neither software appears to be consistent with the OLC rules:

The minimal finish altitude is 1000 metre below the start altitude.
The start altitude the lowest altitude after the begin of free flight
and before reaching the start point.
The start time is the time at which the start altitude is reached.
The finish altitude is the highest altitude after reaching the finish
point and before end of free flight.
The finish time is the time at which the finish altitude is reached
after the finish point is reached.

Where the OLC and SeeYou programs differ, I believe the "more correct"
score will be whichever is the higher. But it appears that both
softwares can give a score that is lower than what the OLC rules require
-- this will happen if the 1000 meter rule affects the result, and if
there is a point after release from tow and prior to start that is lower
than both tow release and start height (or if there is a point after
finish that is above the finish height).