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Mxsmanic wrote:

Eeyore writes:

PPLs don't apply to such aircraft.

Oh ... so you don't need a PPL to fly a 747?

How do you think you get the hours to progress to CPL ? You have to have a CPL before
ATPL etc.... How about the night, multi-engine and instrument ratings ?


Is that what you think ?

When it comes to airliners, I am _certain_ of it.

But you're an idiot !


In actual fact you may be right that's it's enirely possible but basic piloting
skills are deemed an essential ingedient of the package.

They are deemed essential by regulatory fiat, but in reality, they aren't
essential at all. At least not the "skills" one learns in tin cans and other
aircraft besides the target type of aircraft.

Those basic skills are what saves aircraft when things go wrong.


It's not how it's done.

Not in the USA. But it can be done. Apparently some places are doing it. It
makes economic sense.

Anyway, I think it has been fairly well established here

Where ?


that you can do all your training in a high-performance aircraft, if you wish.

What do you mean by high-performance ?


I don't see why that aircraft could not be a jet airliner, if the price is right.
Or is there some regulatory barrier to starting and finishing exclusively in, say,
a 737?

Yes.

For one thing you can't start by flying multi-engined aircraft. I suggest you kill
the engine(s) on one side whilst simulating a landing for example.

Graham

Eeyore writes:

How do you think you get the hours to progress to CPL ? You have to have a CPL before
ATPL etc.... How about the night, multi-engine and instrument ratings ?

So there's a regulatory barrier? Perhaps. But in practical terms you can
still start and finish on a 747, if money is not a concern. Or better still,
you can learn on a simulator.

Those basic skills are what saves aircraft when things go wrong.

Not when they don't match the aircraft being flown. Having flown a Piper Cub
won't help you much when you're flying an Airbus. You need Airbus experience
to fly an Airbus, not Piper Cub experience.

What do you mean by high-performance ?

The FAA definition, which is apparently anything not powered by rubber bands.

For one thing you can't start by flying multi-engined aircraft.

I know you can start with multiengine aircraft, so that's not it.

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Mxsmanic wrote:

Eeyore writes:

How do you think you get the hours to progress to CPL ? You have to have a CPL before
ATPL etc.... How about the night, multi-engine and instrument ratings ?

So there's a regulatory barrier? Perhaps. But in practical terms you can
still start and finish on a 747, if money is not a concern. Or better still,
you can learn on a simulator.

You're an idiot.

Mxsmanic wrote:

I know you can start with multiengine aircraft, so that's not it.

Do please link to an example of ab-initio training on twins.

Graham

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Eeyore writes:

How do you think you get the hours to progress to CPL ? You have to
have a CPL before ATPL etc.... How about the night, multi-engine and
instrument ratings ?

So there's a regulatory barrier? Perhaps. But in practical terms you
can still start and finish on a 747, if money is not a concern. Or
better still, you can learn on a simulator.

Those basic skills are what saves aircraft when things go wrong.

Not when they don't match the aircraft being flown. Having flown a
Piper Cub won't help you much when you're flying an Airbus.

Yes, it will, fjukktard.


I know, I've flown both.


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip writes:

I know, I've flown both.

I've flown the Piper Cub, but not any Airbus. I don't like Airbus.

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Mxsmanic wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip writes:

I know, I've flown both.

I've flown the Piper Cub, but not any Airbus. I don't like Airbus.


You haven't flwon a piper cub. You might ahave been allowed to handle one
for a minute or tow. You fly one when you can master it, not when you paly
with one on you playstation, fjukktard.



Berti e

Eeyore wrote:


For one thing you can't start by flying multi-engined aircraft.


Why not?

Newps wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
For one thing you can't start by flying multi-engined aircraft.
Why not?

You could, technically speaking. But it would be a lot of gravy on your
mashed potatoes, y'know?

A bit like learning to drive a stick in a Ferrari; sure, it can be done,
but you'll probably miss out on a lot of the finer technique, and man oh
man are you going to be sorry if you screw up (and you will ).

TheSmokingGnu

TheSmokingGnu writes:

A bit like learning to drive a stick in a Ferrari; sure, it can be done,
but you'll probably miss out on a lot of the finer technique, and man oh
man are you going to be sorry if you screw up (and you will ).

But it's a lot easier to go from a Ferrari to an Escort than the other way
around.

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