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On 26 Mar, 15:39, "BDS" wrote:
"John Mazor" wrote

In other words, even you might make hundreds of runs through
a procedure simulator and finally get it right, but that
doesn't make you a qualified surgeon nor does it qualify you
to say that "surgery is easy". There's a lot more to being
a surgeon than just being able to complete some sim runs.

That, in my opinion, is one of the major points that he fails to
appreciate - that you have to be able to get it right when it matters. It
is not possible to have a proper appreciation for any of this with no real
world experience - doing it right when it matters in real life is nothing
like being able to do it in a sim while sitting safely and comfortably in
front of your PC. We are, after all, human beings, not machines.

Athletes face this type of human performance factor all the time - it is
much easier to perform flawlessly in practice when nothing is on the line
than it is to do so when in an actual competition.

what's the old saying? "a good sim performance is like a succesful
operation on a corpse."


Bertie

On 24 Mar, 22:03, Mxsmanic wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip writes:
I've had private pilots in airoline sims and they were able to get the
airplane down with a minimum of instruction. In fact i once got a
model airplane pilot to do it in a 737 sim and he'd never even been a
passenger in an airliner, and he was only 16.

Then why do you maintain that it's difficult?


I didn't say it's difficult, fjukkwit. That's the point. It's not.
It's just beyond you.



Bertie

On 25 Mar, 00:37, Eeyore
wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:

This is one reason why I think a small-aircraft pilot might not be the best
choice as an emergency pilot for a large airliner. He would be too tempted to
try to fly the plane by hand, and he'd end up impacting a mountainside at high
speed, simply because flying by hand is the _last_ thing he should be doing in
that aircraft.

He'd more than likely do a better job of it that you would you
fjukkwit.

I suspect he means they might be tempted into 'overcontrolling' but lacks the
vocabulary or brains to say so. I doubt it myself. PPLs probably understand that
issue quite well.


Ooow Pooh pooh is trying to slurp the Bunyip again!

and I thought it was going to be a crap night.



berti e

On 25 Mar, 06:43, Eeyore
wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:
Eeyore writes:

I suspect he means they might be tempted into 'overcontrolling' but lacks the
vocabulary or brains to say so.

What I mean is that they simply have no experience flying such an aircraft,
and experience with a tin can will not help to any significant extent.

LMAO !

Have you ever flown ? As in PIC that is ?


God I love usent.


Bertie

On 25 Mar, 22:05, Eeyore
wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:
Eeyore writes:

Have you ever flown ? As in PIC that is ?

In simulation, yes, both large and small aircraft. And you?

So you haven't actually flown *for real*.

And yes I have. Today's PC sims may seem convincing but even the big commercial
multi-axis jobs still aren't the same as the real thing.


God what a fjukktard you are, pooh pooh. Like you'd know the
difference.



Bertie

On 26 Mar, 02:29, Eeyore
wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:
Eeyore writes:

So you haven't actually flown *for real*.

I haven't flown outside simulation, yes.

And yes I have. Today's PC sims may seem convincing but even the big commercial
multi-axis jobs still aren't the same as the real thing.

The big commercial jobs are good enough to teach you to fly the real aircraft
from start to finish.

Absolutely not.

Well, certainly not you or your bum buddie there wannabe boi.


bertie

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
John Mazor writes:

Wrong again. That's been around for years.

http://www.golimbs.com/offer_index.p...FSBhgQodyC2pRA

http://www.haptica.com/

They're sophisticated enough to provide force feedback:

http://www.ercim.org/publication/Erc...elingette.html

They even have their own expositions:

http://www.surgery.arizona.edu/expo/...ulatorExpo.htm

which specifically compares them to flight simulators.

I'm aware of these. They make Flight Simulator look like
a holodeck.

Now you're aware of them, but before I outed your ignorance
and showed you the links, you said (but deleted from this
post):

" Doctors can't perform surgery on simulated human beings,
at least not yet."

You recently claimed here that you admit all your mistakes.
We're waiting.

Not for your apology. For whatever contrived BS you conjure
up to avoid having to admit your error. Tomorrow is
Tuesday, most of us will be in the mood for a good laugh.

george writes:

Automated systems like the Docklands Light Railway in London went back
to human drivers..

Automated systems elsewhere, such as San Francisco's BART, have been running
for decades.

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On Mar 27, 4:27 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
george writes:
Automated systems like the Docklands Light Railway in London went back
to human drivers..

Automated systems elsewhere, such as San Francisco's BART, have been running
for decades.

on rails. With very large buffers.

On Mar 27, 4:27 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
george writes:
Automated systems like the Docklands Light Railway in London went back
to human drivers..

Automated systems elsewhere, such as San Francisco's BART, have been running
for decades.


After checking on the BART system I noticed the following
Quoted:
BART was one of the first US systems of any size to have substantial
automated operations. The trains are computer-controlled via BART's
Operations Control Center (OCC) and headquarters at Lake Merritt and
generally arrive with regular punctuality. Train operators are present
to make announcements, close doors, and operate the train in case of
unforeseen difficulties.

Why, if you're correct, do they have train operators present to make
announcements, close doors, and operate the train in case of
unforeseen difficulties
???