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george writes:

Automated systems like the Docklands Light Railway in London went back
to human drivers..

Automated systems elsewhere, such as San Francisco's BART, have been running
for decades.

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On Mar 27, 4:27 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
george writes:
Automated systems like the Docklands Light Railway in London went back
to human drivers..

Automated systems elsewhere, such as San Francisco's BART, have been running
for decades.

on rails. With very large buffers.

George writes:

on rails. With very large buffers.

Docklands Light Railway sounds like it has rails and buffers, too.

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On Mar 27, 4:27 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
george writes:
Automated systems like the Docklands Light Railway in London went back
to human drivers..

Automated systems elsewhere, such as San Francisco's BART, have been running
for decades.


After checking on the BART system I noticed the following
Quoted:
BART was one of the first US systems of any size to have substantial
automated operations. The trains are computer-controlled via BART's
Operations Control Center (OCC) and headquarters at Lake Merritt and
generally arrive with regular punctuality. Train operators are present
to make announcements, close doors, and operate the train in case of
unforeseen difficulties.

Why, if you're correct, do they have train operators present to make
announcements, close doors, and operate the train in case of
unforeseen difficulties
???

George writes:

Why, if you're correct, do they have train operators present to make
announcements, close doors, and operate the train in case of
unforeseen difficulties
???

A human being is always handy for unexpected situations, and since BART was
one of the first fully automated systems, it had a lot of problems initially.
There may be union requirements for people, too.

The fact that a human operator is aboard a train doesn't mean that the train
can't operate itself in normal service, just as the presence of pilots aboard
an airliner doesn't mean that the airliner cannot fly itself most of the time.

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Mxsmanic wrote in
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George writes:

Why, if you're correct, do they have train operators present to make
announcements, close doors, and operate the train in case of
unforeseen difficulties
???

A human being is always handy for unexpected situations, and since
BART was one of the first fully automated systems, it had a lot of
problems initially. There may be union requirements for people, too.

The fact that a human operator is aboard a train doesn't mean that the
train can't operate itself in normal service, just as the presence of
pilots aboard an airliner doesn't mean that the airliner cannot fly
itself most of the time.


It can't, fjuccckkkwit.


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip writes:

It can't, fjuccckkkwit.

Airliners do this every day, for many hours at a time.

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Mxsmanic wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip writes:

It can't, fjuccckkkwit.

Airliners do this every day, for many hours at a time.

No, they don't, fjukkwit. How do I know this? I just flew one, and a very
automated, ver modern one, for 6 hours.


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip writes:

No, they don't, fjukkwit. How do I know this? I just flew one, and a very
automated, ver modern one, for 6 hours.

And it had no FMC or autopilot, or you just didn't want to use them?

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On Mar 27, 5:38 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
George writes:
Why, if you're correct, do they have train operators present to make
announcements, close doors, and operate the train in case of
unforeseen difficulties
???

A human being is always handy for unexpected situations, and since BART was
one of the first fully automated systems, it had a lot of problems initially.
There may be union requirements for people, too.

The fact that a human operator is aboard a train doesn't mean that the train
can't operate itself in normal service, just as the presence of pilots aboard
an airliner doesn't mean that the airliner cannot fly itself most of the time.

But you claimed that these rapid transit trains were fully automated.
Which is demonstrated by BARTs web page to be wrong

Another error you can chalk up ...