A tower-induced go-round

Recently, Jay Honeck posted:

The controller told ME to go around, remember? I would have landed
behind the student pilot ahead of me -- or over him, if need be --
if the controller hadn't given the order to go around.

So... let's see. If under option #1 you landed behind the student,
you had enough room to guarantee a full stop before running him
down? Since your option #2 would have been to scare the bejeezus out
of the student by landing "over him", I presume the student wasn't
near the far end of the runway, so some numbers just don't seem
right, here. If you needed to be told to "go around" in that
scenario, perhaps the controller knows you personally? ;-)

What I thought I could or could not do is irrelevant. The controller
told me to go around, so I did -- end of story.

My point was that had I been on that approach, and saw the plane ahead of
me stop dead on the runway, I would have _told the controller_ that I was
going around, not figure out how to land with the other plane still on the
runway.

At an uncontrolled field, if the student had cut in front of me (as he
did when he was ordered to do so by the tower controller) I would have
executed a 360 degree turn for spacing, or landed short behind him. I
also would have got on the radio and asked him to land long and keep
it rolling.

Which the student may or may not have done while you've committed to
landing. I also would not want to be in the pattern with someone suddenly
pulling a 360 on final, either. IMO, the scenrios you're presenting do not
reflect the most courteous or safe options.

Neil

Which the student may or may not have done while you've committed to
landing. I also would not want to be in the pattern with someone suddenly
pulling a 360 on final, either. IMO, the scenrios you're presenting do not
reflect the most courteous or safe options.

Cutting in front of someone on final, whether under orders or
voluntary, is never safe nor courteous.

Which, of course, is the point of this entire thread.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:


Cutting in front of someone on final, whether under orders or
voluntary, is never safe nor courteous.


Never? At any distance?

Cutting in front of someone on final, whether under orders or
voluntary, is never safe nor courteous.

Never? At any distance?

You have trouble with the word "cutting"? I believe that says it
all.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
Cutting in front of someone on final, whether under orders or
voluntary, is never safe nor courteous.

Never? At any distance?


You have trouble with the word "cutting"? I believe that says it
all.



No, that's a very subjective distance. Some idiots out there announce a
five mile final and expect me to follow them. I'll stick a Beech 99
being flown by a freight dog in front of the typical weekend flyer on a
mile and a half final all day long.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...

You have trouble with the word "cutting"? I believe that says it
all.


I'm having trouble with your usage of the word. Please explain what you
mean.

I hope that everyone realizes that if the runway was a conveyor belt none of
this would have happened in the first place.

BDS

BDS wrote:
I hope that everyone realizes that if the runway was a conveyor belt
none of this would have happened in the first place.

BDS

Oh God don't start that again.

Hee, hee. Good one!

"BDS" wrote in message
t...
I hope that everyone realizes that if the runway was a conveyor belt none
of
this would have happened in the first place.

BDS

Recently, Jay Honeck posted:

Which the student may or may not have done while you've committed to
landing. I also would not want to be in the pattern with someone
suddenly pulling a 360 on final, either. IMO, the scenrios you're
presenting do not reflect the most courteous or safe options.

Cutting in front of someone on final, whether under orders or
voluntary, is never safe nor courteous.

I don't see how following a controller's instructions is discourteous, but
it may not always reflect the best judgement, so there are appropriate
responses for the PIC in those instances, e.g. "unable". I'm not too
surprised that a student wouldn't be comfortable using that option.

Which, of course, is the point of this entire thread.

This thread seemed more like an aero version of "road rage" to me. In a
newsgroup with a lot of folks seeking to learn, that can't be a Good
Thing.

Neil