Defence plan to scrap F-111s

"Brash" wrote in message news:3f335ba4$0$15134

Because its still better at what it does than anything else for its
cost.

Maybe that's so... but the task itself is obsolete.

For now.

I hate to disagree, but it is my understanding that F-111s were tasked to
strike Indonesian C3I targets if the E.Timor op had been seriously opposed
by the Indon Military.

Hardly an obsolete task.

L'acrobat wrote:
I hate to disagree, but it is my understanding that F-111s were tasked to
strike Indonesian C3I targets if the E.Timor op had been seriously
opposed
by the Indon Military.

There were reports of this but we won't know officially until 2029 when
the papers are released by the National Archives. In a speech in 2000,
General Cosgrove said that we came "dangerously close" to a shooting war
with Indonesia but he didn't elaborate. Subsequent media reports were
hard to either prove or disprove.

There was speculation that the TNI, which was totally opposed to giving
up East Timor, might not behave and it was not inconceivable that
elements might resist the INTERFET deployment, and perhaps even stage a
coup.

F-111s and extra F/A-18s were forward deployed to Tindal in the lead up
to the INTERFET deployment (plenty of TV footage at the time). Indonesia
claimed that RF-111s conducted overflights of East Timor and made a very
public threat to shoot down any "spy planes" entering Indonesian
airspace. F/A-18s started carrying white missiles the day that threat
was made.

It is known that Indonesian F-16s, F-5s and A-4s were airborne the night
the ships sailed from Darwin, and reportedly made probing moves towards
the group. There were also some missile boats out of Kupang. The Type
209 subs was in the Timor Sea (but there were also two Collins subs
around, and RAAF and RNZAF Orions, so they weren't a real problem).

What's not known is exactly how close we came. One media report later
said that F-111s were "bombed up" ready to "knock out Indonesian
communications as far back as TNI headquarters on the outskirts of
Jakarta if necessary". Another report said that the commander of the
naval taskforce came within less than a minute of giving the order to
fire on Indonesia aircraft. How much of this is fact won't be known
until 2029.

It's not difficult to work out that if the TNI had gone off the rails
then things could have got very ugly very quickly. While INTERFET wasn't
militarily or politically in a position to make an opposed landing, the
aircraft in theatre would at least have been in a position to cover the
taskforce as it retreated to Darwin.

Cheers
David

"David Bromage" wrote in message
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L'acrobat wrote:
I hate to disagree, but it is my understanding that F-111s were tasked
to
strike Indonesian C3I targets if the E.Timor op had been seriously
opposed
by the Indon Military.

There were reports of this but we won't know officially until 2029 when
the papers are released by the National Archives. In a speech in 2000,
General Cosgrove said that we came "dangerously close" to a shooting war
with Indonesia but he didn't elaborate. Subsequent media reports were
hard to either prove or disprove.

There was speculation that the TNI, which was totally opposed to giving
up East Timor, might not behave and it was not inconceivable that
elements might resist the INTERFET deployment, and perhaps even stage a
coup.

F-111s and extra F/A-18s were forward deployed to Tindal in the lead up
to the INTERFET deployment (plenty of TV footage at the time). Indonesia
claimed that RF-111s conducted overflights of East Timor and made a very
public threat to shoot down any "spy planes" entering Indonesian
airspace. F/A-18s started carrying white missiles the day that threat
was made.

It is known that Indonesian F-16s, F-5s and A-4s were airborne the night
the ships sailed from Darwin, and reportedly made probing moves towards
the group. There were also some missile boats out of Kupang. The Type
209 subs was in the Timor Sea (but there were also two Collins subs
around, and RAAF and RNZAF Orions, so they weren't a real problem).

What's not known is exactly how close we came. One media report later
said that F-111s were "bombed up" ready to "knock out Indonesian
communications as far back as TNI headquarters on the outskirts of
Jakarta if necessary". Another report said that the commander of the
naval taskforce came within less than a minute of giving the order to
fire on Indonesia aircraft. How much of this is fact won't be known
until 2029.

It's not difficult to work out that if the TNI had gone off the rails
then things could have got very ugly very quickly. While INTERFET wasn't
militarily or politically in a position to make an opposed landing, the
aircraft in theatre would at least have been in a position to cover the
taskforce as it retreated to Darwin.

Cheers
David

As you say, its mostly speculation and rumour. One thing that I know for
certain is that the inter-service rivalry in the TNI is so strong that I
would be surprised if the TNI-AU (Air Force) would have gone into a shooting
match at the behest of the TNI-AD (Army), against the orders of the
government. It would have been a prime opportunity for the TNI-AU to curry
favour with the powers-that-be in Jakarta and stick it to the TNI-AD.

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De Oppresso Liber.