A tower-induced go-round

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Yep, those are the IFR procedures.

Which part of the local procedures being for VFR are you having trouble
understanding?


None. What made you think I did? Did you know the local procedures were
for VFR operations before you joined this discussion?



The 6 IFR departure would be illegal to do without a radio, and if
you did it with a radio, while legal, it would **** of the class C
tower which is expecting you to use the VFR procedure and call them
when you get close to midfield if you intend to cross their airspace.


Following an IFR procedure would not **** off the tower and I wouldn't be
calling them at all.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

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Yep, those are the IFR procedures.

Which part of the local procedures being for VFR are you having trouble
understanding?


None. What made you think I did? Did you know the local procedures were
for VFR operations before you joined this discussion?

Because you keep bringing up the IFR procedures as though they were
relevant to VFR.

Of course I knew local prodedures are VFR; I've always known that.


The 6 IFR departure would be illegal to do without a radio, and if
you did it with a radio, while legal, it would **** of the class C
tower which is expecting you to use the VFR procedure and call them
when you get close to midfield if you intend to cross their airspace.


Following an IFR procedure would not **** off the tower and I wouldn't be
calling them at all.

One more time, we are talking about following VFR procedures while VFR.

You can't legally fly the IFR departure unless you file IFR and then,
no, you are not talking to the Class C tower, you are talking to the
Class C departure.

Following the IFR procedure while VFR will do a lot more than just
**** off the Class C tower.

Since you don't seem to get it:

We are talking about following VFR procedures while VFR.

We are talking about following VFR procedures while VFR.

We are talking about following VFR procedures while VFR.

We are talking about following VFR procedures while VFR.

We are talking about following VFR procedures while VFR.

We are talking about following VFR procedures while VFR.

We are talking about following VFR procedures while VFR.

We are talking about following VFR procedures while VFR.

We are talking about following VFR procedures while VFR.

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Jim Pennino

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Because you keep bringing up the IFR procedures as though they were
relevant to VFR.

Of course I knew local prodedures are VFR; I've always known that.


If you always knew that why did you initially say they applied to all
operations? Why didn't you identify them as VFR procedures from the start?



One more time, we are talking about following VFR procedures while VFR.


You wrote; "The 6 IFR departure would be illegal to do without a radio, and
if you did it with a radio, while legal, it would **** of the class C tower
which is expecting you to use the VFR procedure and call them when you get
close to midfield if you intend to cross their airspace." That sounds like
you're talking about an IFR procedure. If I followed that procedure it
would be during an IFR flight with an IFR clearance and it would not affect
the Class C tower in any way.



You can't legally fly the IFR departure unless you file IFR and then,
no, you are not talking to the Class C tower, you are talking to the
Class C departure.


Now you're catching on.



Since you don't seem to get it:

We are talking about following VFR procedures while VFR.

We are talking about following VFR procedures while VFR.

We are talking about following VFR procedures while VFR.

We are talking about following VFR procedures while VFR.

We are talking about following VFR procedures while VFR.

We are talking about following VFR procedures while VFR.

We are talking about following VFR procedures while VFR.

We are talking about following VFR procedures while VFR.

We are talking about following VFR procedures while VFR.


Why did you not identify them as VFR procedures from the start?

Why did you not identify them as VFR procedures from the start?

Why did you not identify them as VFR procedures from the start?

Why did you not identify them as VFR procedures from the start?

Why did you not identify them as VFR procedures from the start?

Why did you not identify them as VFR procedures from the start?

Why did you not identify them as VFR procedures from the start?

Why did you not identify them as VFR procedures from the start?