A tower-induced go-round

Cutting in front of someone on final, whether under orders or
voluntary, is never safe nor courteous.

I don't see how following a controller's instructions is discourteous

The controller's instructions put both the 172 and I on a course that
-- in the controller's opinion -- was going to cause a collision on
the runway. This is why he sent me around, after clearing me to
land.

You don't find this unusual?

Which, of course, is the point of this entire thread.

This thread seemed more like an aero version of "road rage" to me. In a
newsgroup with a lot of folks seeking to learn, that can't be a Good
Thing.

"Road rage"? What are you *talking* about? No one was angry, no one
raised their voice, and nothing unsafe happened. This is simply a
discussion of a very unusual event. If there's any "rage" being felt
here, it must be yours.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination

Jay Honeck schrieb:

The controller's instructions put both the 172 and I on a course that
-- in the controller's opinion -- was going to cause a collision on
the runway. This is why he sent me around, after clearing me to
land.

You don't find this unusual?

No. He thought his instructions would work. When he realised that he had
made a mistake, he resolved the situation by sending you around. Pretty
much what I expect from a controller.

Stefan

You don't find this unusual?

No. He thought his instructions would work. When he realised that he had
made a mistake, he resolved the situation by sending you around. Pretty
much what I expect from a controller.

Interesting. Apparently I have heretofore been blessed by only flying
into airports with excellent controllers. This atypical experience has
obviously given me unrealistic expectations.

From now on, I will regard landing clearances with greater suspicion.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

From now on, I will regard landing clearances with greater suspicion.

That is always a good idea. Things change.

Jose
--
Get high on gasoline: fly an airplane.
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Stefan wrote:

Jay Honeck schrieb:

The controller's instructions put both the 172 and I on a course that
-- in the controller's opinion -- was going to cause a collision on
the runway. This is why he sent me around, after clearing me to
land.

You don't find this unusual?


No. He thought his instructions would work. When he realised that he had
made a mistake,

He didn't make a mistake, he simply reacted to conditions as they
change. That's what controllers do.

"Stefan" wrote in message
. ..

No. He thought his instructions would work. When he realised that he had
made a mistake, he resolved the situation by sending you around. Pretty
much what I expect from a controller.


The controller's instructions did work. Jay has stated he was 4500' behind
the 172 when it landed. The controller issued the go around because the 172
unexpectedly stopped on the runway.

Jay Honeck wrote:

Cutting in front of someone on final, whether under orders or
voluntary, is never safe nor courteous.

I don't see how following a controller's instructions is discourteous


The controller's instructions put both the 172 and I on a course that
-- in the controller's opinion -- was going to cause a collision on
the runway. This is why he sent me around, after clearing me to
land.

You don't find this unusual?

When I worked at GFK we'd have at least 50 go arounds a day, for any
number of reasons. Our typical traffic counts were on the order of 150
operations an hour. Students would land and then inexplicably stop,
they would go to take off and then do a Vx climb without telling us,
effectively stopping in mid air, they'd miss the turn off, etc. Had the
plane in front of you not stopped everything would have worked fine.
That's not the controllers fault, it wasn't his instruction that put you
on a collision course it was the first guys stopping on the runway.
Using your logic it was the controllers who cleared you for takeoff that
put you on a collision course.

Recently, Jay Honeck posted:

Cutting in front of someone on final, whether under orders or
voluntary, is never safe nor courteous.

I don't see how following a controller's instructions is discourteous

The controller's instructions put both the 172 and I on a course that
-- in the controller's opinion -- was going to cause a collision on
the runway. This is why he sent me around, after clearing me to
land.

You don't find this unusual?

Perhaps, but not nearly as unusual as some things I've experienced at
uncontrolled fields. I suspect that your experience is a multiple of mine,
so it made me wonder why it was so noteworthy as to warrant such a rant
about Class D fields.

Which, of course, is the point of this entire thread.

This thread seemed more like an aero version of "road rage" to me.
In a newsgroup with a lot of folks seeking to learn, that can't be a
Good Thing.

"Road rage"? What are you *talking* about?

I'm talking about your notions of landing short over the plane on the
runway. Why would such notions even cross your mind? Sorry, I thought
you'd understand that analogy. ;-)

No one was angry, no one
raised their voice, and nothing unsafe happened. This is simply a
discussion of a very unusual event. If there's any "rage" being felt
here, it must be yours.

Why on Earth would I have any "rage" over YOUR experience? Please. As I
wrote in an earlier reply, if I were in that situation, the controller
would not have had to tell me to go around. I asked some questions of you
because it's pretty obvious that YOU had a problem with that experience,
and I wondered why, and still do.

Neil

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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The controller's instructions put both the 172 and I on a course that
-- in the controller's opinion -- was going to cause a collision on
the runway. This is why he sent me around, after clearing me to
land.


Previously you said the controller's instructions put you about 4500' behind
the 172 at the moment it landed. What is your revised distance?



"Road rage"? What are you *talking* about? No one was angry, no one
raised their voice, and nothing unsafe happened. This is simply a
discussion of a very unusual event. If there's any "rage" being felt
here, it must be yours.


"Road rage" is a bit extreme, but it's pretty clear you started this thread
because you were irked at being issued the go around.