Us and Them

On 31 Mar 2007 15:07:38 -0700, "M" wrote in
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A Democratic administration won't be any different.

Clinton established the fact that ATC was an inherently governmental
function, thus blocking privatization efforts and their requisite user
fees.

Bush overturned Clinton's edict to pave the way toward ATC
privatization. Now he has Blakey carrying the ATC privatization ball
in Congress.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
...

Clinton established the fact that ATC was an inherently governmental
function, thus blocking privatization efforts and their requisite user
fees.


That ATC was an inherently governmental function was established during the
Roosevelt administration.

Franklin, not Teddy.

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Larry Dighera wrote:

Clinton established the fact that ATC was an inherently governmental
function, thus blocking privatization efforts and their requisite user
fees.

when?

iirc, it was the Clinton administration that was pushing user fees circa 1996

--
Bob Noel
(gave up looking for a particular sig the lawyer will hate)

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
news
M writes:

But you're right. We have no one to blame but ourselves, because we
don't fly enough hours, and we don't attract enough new GA pilots to
join our ranks.

When the price of becoming a GA pilot is so high, and existing pilots just
say
"find a way!" when someone points this out, instead of working to lower
the
barriers, it's not surprising that so few new pilots are attracted.

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Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

Too high? When are you going to get it? It's not that hard to find a way to
fly on the cheep.

How about $15.00 per hour to rent an aircraft. $5.00 for a winch launch (or
$12.50 for an aerotow) and instructors cost $0.00 per hour (yes $0.00 as in
free - no charge.). How is that too high? It costs more than that go hang
out in a bar.

Oh, OK, there are some hidden fees. $350 to join the club, $22 per month
dues, $64 per year for SSA dues. Still cheeper than hanging out at the bar.
Figure a hundred or two on books and other instructional material.

If you can't afford that, you can't afford to eat.

http://www.sandhillsoaring.org/ssc-welcome.htm

Oh, and gliders often have computers to play with too.

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
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When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
Tim writes:

Like criticism of your posts, comments and attitude?

I receive criticism from only one direction, and the criticism is in the
form
of personal attacks, rather than comments on the topics under discussion.


You are getting what you p(l)ay for.

Clinton established the fact that ATC was an inherently governmental
function, thus blocking privatization efforts and their requisite user
fees.

when?

iirc, it was the Clinton administration that was pushing user fees circa
1996

--
Bob Noel
(gave up looking for a particular sig the lawyer will hate)

Me recollection is the same.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message ...
: On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:06:21 GMT, kontiki
: wrote in :
:
: He is but a small part of the problem, ...
:
: No. Not really.
:
: Clinton established the fact that ATC was an inherently governmental
: function, thus blocking privatization efforts and their requisite user
: fees.
:
: Bush overturned Clinton's edict to pave the way toward ATC
: privatization. Now he has Blakey carrying the ATC privatization ball
: in Congress.
:
:

Yea, I remember that also...

Now, gotta find the references...

"Blueskies" wrote in message news :
: "Larry Dighera" wrote in message ...
:: On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:06:21 GMT, kontiki
:: wrote in :
::
:: He is but a small part of the problem, ...
::
:: No. Not really.
::
:: Clinton established the fact that ATC was an inherently governmental
:: function, thus blocking privatization efforts and their requisite user
:: fees.
::
:: Bush overturned Clinton's edict to pave the way toward ATC
:: privatization. Now he has Blakey carrying the ATC privatization ball
:: in Congress.
::
::
:
: Yea, I remember that also...
:
: Now, gotta find the references...
:
:

Here is one:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...&type=business

"Bush's executive order amended an executive order signed by President Bill Clinton on Dec. 7, 2000, in which he
redesigned the air traffic control system to make it performance-based and otherwise infuse it with efficiencies. Bush
deleted Clinton's four-word description of the controllers' work: "an inherently governmental function." "

On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 19:04:36 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote in
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That ATC was an inherently governmental function was established during the
Roosevelt administration.

I wasn't aware of that, but I believe Clinton's predecessor or McCain
or someone else with the power to do it, removed that function from
governmental control; Clinton restored it. Then the Bush regime has
made ATC non-governmental again, so they can privatize it.

On Apr 1, 11:52 am, Larry Dighera wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:06:21 GMT, kontiki
wrote in :

He is but a small part of the problem, ...

No. Not really.

Clinton established the fact that ATC was an inherently governmental
function, thus blocking privatization efforts and their requisite user
fees.

Bush overturned Clinton's edict to pave the way toward ATC
privatization. Now he has Blakey carrying the ATC privatization ball
in Congress.

Hysterically funny. Now you're claiming that the Democrats are the
flag carriers for the lower taxes movement. HAHAHAHAHA! Oh, wait. You
did post that on April 1, didn't you.