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"Greg Esres" wrote in message
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the military is not governed by FARs...

Here's a copy from a FAA letter of interpretation:

December 9, 1992
Dr. Dietrich Bahls

Dear Dr. Bahls:

...

You are correct that in the U.S. there is only "one" airspace in which
both civil and military aircraft operate. While in U.S. airspace Part
91 of the Federal Aviation Regulations (FAR) governs the operation of
aircraft, both civilian and military.

No, military compliance with CFR14 is at the US military's discression. A
FAR is a Fedral Acquisition Regulation and is not an FAA regulation.

No, military compliance with CFR14 is at the US military's
discression.

Well, you're contradicting the FAA's General Counsel's Office.

By what authority are you able to do that?

"Greg Esres" wrote in message
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No, military compliance with CFR14 is at the US military's
discression.

Well, you're contradicting the FAA's General Counsel's Office.

FAA's General Counsel has absolutely no authority over the US Military.

By what authority are you able to do that?

The US Constitution, which puts the Military directly under the President,
while US DOT is an extra Contitutional entity; with its authority delegated
by Congresss to the Executive. US DOT is not even a part of the chain of
cammand.

FAA's General Counsel has absolutely no authority over the US
Military.

We're talking about knowledge of the law.

The US Constitution, which puts the Military directly under the
President,

That's silly. Everyone working for the President doesn't have to obey
the law?

FAR 91.1 says that it "prescribes rules governing the operation of
aircraft...within the United States...."

Doesn't say "civil" or "military", so it applies to everyone, unless
the law itself provides the exemption.

Can you provide any supporting evidence at all to justify your
position?

"Greg Esres" wrote in message
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FAA's General Counsel has absolutely no authority over the US
Military.

We're talking about knowledge of the law.

Yes, we are.

The US Constitution, which puts the Military directly under the
President,

That's silly. Everyone working for the President doesn't have to obey
the law?

Congress has no authority to make such a law, so how could delegated
Congrsional authority lead to any such regulatory authority?

FAR 91.1 says that it "prescribes rules governing the operation of
aircraft...within the United States...."

No, a FAR is a Federal Acquisition Regulation and has nothing to do with
airspace.

Doesn't say "civil" or "military", so it applies to everyone, unless
the law itself provides the exemption.

If you mean CFR 14, then that administrative law has only to do with those
individuals and corporations that volentarily submit themselves to FAA's
regulatory authority.

Can you provide any supporting evidence at all to justify your
position?

You have failed to support your position, Greg, or to even know the words.

Congress has no authority to make such a law, so how could delegated
Congressional authority lead to any such regulatory authority?

Here's a quote from the Cornell web page on military law:

-----snip--------
Congress's control over formation, organization and government of the
national armies is plenary and exclusive.
-----snip--------

You have failed to support your position, Greg, or to even know the
words.

I've given you the following
1) Statement by the FAA's general counsel's office
2) References to the FARs which contain military exemptions
3) FAR statements as to the applicability of the regs

All you've given me is statements based on your own authority.

No, military compliance with CFR14 is at the US military's discression. A
FAR is a Fedral Acquisition Regulation and is not an FAA regulation.



Um, Tarver? FAR = Federal Aviation Regulations. Next time you go to a book
store or FBO pick up the current FAR/AIM.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"B2431" wrote in message
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No, military compliance with CFR14 is at the US military's discression.
A
FAR is a Fedral Acquisition Regulation and is not an FAA regulation.



Um, Tarver? FAR = Federal Aviation Regulations.

Nope, FAA lost the lawsuit and is no longer allowed to use the acronym.

Um, Tarver? FAR = Federal Aviation Regulations.

Nope, FAA lost the lawsuit and is no longer allowed to use the acronym.


Cite your source.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

"B2431" wrote in message
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Um, Tarver? FAR = Federal Aviation Regulations.

Nope, FAA lost the lawsuit and is no longer allowed to use the acronym.

Cite your source.

FAA DER Standardization Seminar, Long Beach California.