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Old April 7th 07, 01:10 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Gene Seibel
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On Apr 6, 6:18 pm, wrote:

Thing is, the proposal is that the average temperature
is increasing. One effect of that is expected to be
increases in the energy of weather systems.
No one is suggesting that it is going to be hotter
everywhere all of the time.

That's what it is - a proposal. I figured that global warming was
natural, but after a discussion on another group I did some research
and now doubt it's even occurring at all. Satellite and balloon
readings show no warming. Only surface measurements, and they are very
susceptible to errors. For instance cities growing and encroaching on
once rural measuring stations. A tenth of a degree increase and alarm
bells go off.
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Old April 7th 07, 01:41 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Peter Dohm
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"Gene Seibel" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Apr 6, 6:18 pm, wrote:

Thing is, the proposal is that the average temperature
is increasing. One effect of that is expected to be
increases in the energy of weather systems.
No one is suggesting that it is going to be hotter
everywhere all of the time.

That's what it is - a proposal. I figured that global warming was
natural, but after a discussion on another group I did some research
and now doubt it's even occurring at all. Satellite and balloon
readings show no warming. Only surface measurements, and they are very
susceptible to errors. For instance cities growing and encroaching on
once rural measuring stations. A tenth of a degree increase and alarm
bells go off.
--
Gene Seibel
Tales of Flight - http://pad39a.com/gene/tales.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.

In addition I recently heard that some surface reporting stations in Siberia
ceased operation--so that data was simply omitted from the calculations.

Since any resulting error would be in the "correct" direction, according to
the current Gore sycophants, there is no reason to correct for the missing
data, nor to work to put the reporting stations back on line.

Peter


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Old April 8th 07, 08:11 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Matt Barrow[_4_]
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"Peter Dohm" wrote in message
.. .

"Gene Seibel" wrote in message
ups.com...

In addition I recently heard that some surface reporting stations in
Siberia
ceased operation--so that data was simply omitted from the calculations.

Since any resulting error would be in the "correct" direction, according
to
the current Gore sycophants, there is no reason to correct for the missing
data, nor to work to put the reporting stations back on line.


Even suface observations have been, historically, located in developed
areas. Those areas are, today, greatly increased in size and infrasturcture,
that creates what;s known as "heat island effect".

An honest scientists (redundant?) would correct for that; an agenda-driven
hack, OTOH, plays games with the data.


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Old April 10th 07, 12:09 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Peter Dohm
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"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
...

"Peter Dohm" wrote in message
.. .

"Gene Seibel" wrote in message
ups.com...

In addition I recently heard that some surface reporting stations in
Siberia
ceased operation--so that data was simply omitted from the calculations.

Since any resulting error would be in the "correct" direction, according
to
the current Gore sycophants, there is no reason to correct for the

missing
data, nor to work to put the reporting stations back on line.


Even suface observations have been, historically, located in developed
areas. Those areas are, today, greatly increased in size and

infrasturcture,
that creates what;s known as "heat island effect".

An honest scientists (redundant?) would correct for that; an

agenda-driven
hack, OTOH, plays games with the data.


You're exactly right.

I was not familiar with the term, although I was familiar with the symptoms,
but "heat island effect" was almost certianly the phenomenon discussed in
the recent thread regarding "...colder at the approach end..."

Peter


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Old April 7th 07, 12:37 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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Gene Seibel writes:

That's what it is - a proposal. I figured that global warming was
natural, but after a discussion on another group I did some research
and now doubt it's even occurring at all. Satellite and balloon
readings show no warming. Only surface measurements, and they are very
susceptible to errors. For instance cities growing and encroaching on
once rural measuring stations. A tenth of a degree increase and alarm
bells go off.


Of all the data we have, that which appears to show a warming trend is the
most reliable and plentiful. It is true that we cannot prove that a definite
trend is in progress, nor can we know whether it will continue. But the
observation of a warming trend is far more reliable than the rampant
speculation on the possible causes of that warming. The notion that burning
fossil fuels is somehow causing global warming is pure speculation.

I think the real factors at work here are a human tendency to egotistically
believe that people can have any real influence on the planet, and a human
tendency to extreme and hysterical behavior. Both of these combine to induce
many human beings to see patterns where none may exist, and then to attribute
those patterns to human activity. In reality, we have no idea.

I think it's a good idea to reduce the use of fossil fuels simply because we
don't really know how much fuel remains. Reducing greenhouse gases is
secondary, because we don't really know what effect, if any, these gases might
have on the weather over the long term.

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Old April 8th 07, 02:11 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dave Doe
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In article ,
says...
Gene Seibel writes:

That's what it is - a proposal. I figured that global warming was
natural, but after a discussion on another group I did some research
and now doubt it's even occurring at all. Satellite and balloon
readings show no warming. Only surface measurements, and they are very
susceptible to errors. For instance cities growing and encroaching on
once rural measuring stations. A tenth of a degree increase and alarm
bells go off.


Of all the data we have, that which appears to show a warming trend is the
most reliable and plentiful. It is true that we cannot prove that a definite
trend is in progress, nor can we know whether it will continue. But the
observation of a warming trend is far more reliable than the rampant
speculation on the possible causes of that warming. The notion that burning
fossil fuels is somehow causing global warming is pure speculation.

I think the real factors at work here are a human tendency to egotistically
believe that people can have any real influence on the planet, and a human
tendency to extreme and hysterical behavior.


The IPCC doesn't help matters.

This is a very interesting video - haven't seen it debunked yet (other
than debunking of the solar flare correlation - but the guts of it has
not)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XttV2C6B8pU

--
Duncan
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Old April 7th 07, 06:21 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Borat
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"Gene Seibel" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Apr 6, 6:18 pm, wrote:

Thing is, the proposal is that the average temperature
is increasing. One effect of that is expected to be
increases in the energy of weather systems.
No one is suggesting that it is going to be hotter
everywhere all of the time.

That's what it is - a proposal. I figured that global warming was
natural, but after a discussion on another group I did some research
and now doubt it's even occurring at all. Satellite and balloon
readings show no warming. Only surface measurements, and they are very
susceptible to errors. For instance cities growing and encroaching on
once rural measuring stations. A tenth of a degree increase and alarm
bells go off.


Probably believe the earth is flat too.


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Old April 7th 07, 11:04 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Gene Seibel wrote:
Satellite and balloon
readings show no warming. Only surface measurements, and they are very
susceptible to errors.


This is a reflection of increased solar activity.
 




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