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Old April 7th 07, 05:21 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
RomeoMike
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Jay Honeck wrote:
I have been a student of meterology since taking several
courses in college, some 25 years ago


Let's see, several college courses 25 years ago. Nothing, of course, has
changed since then in terms of new scientific methods of studying
weather, no new accumulation of knowledge by those whose full-time
profession it is to study it. You shiver in an upper mid-west microcosm,
so the scientists are wrong. Well, I know I'm in the minority here, but
IMHO no one in this group so far has the credentials to mount a
counter argument to the global warming theorists. How it affects GA is
the least of my worries for my progeny.
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Old April 7th 07, 12:32 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 22:21:55 -0600, RomeoMike
wrote:



Jay Honeck wrote:
I have been a student of meterology since taking several
courses in college, some 25 years ago


Let's see, several college courses 25 years ago. Nothing, of course, has
changed since then in terms of new scientific methods of studying
weather, no new accumulation of knowledge by those whose full-time
profession it is to study it. You shiver in an upper mid-west microcosm,
so the scientists are wrong. Well, I know I'm in the minority here, but
IMHO no one in this group so far has the credentials to mount a
counter argument to the global warming theorists. How it affects GA is
the least of my worries for my progeny.


it is not about credentials.

it is about data and its interpretation. has anyone seen the data?
al gore presents a graph of co2 but never reveals the data behind the
graph. there is no opportunity to validate or refute the data. no
opportunity to get to any of the facts.

one aspect of the global warming nonsense is the omission of lapse
rates in the discussion. in the hottest days on the nullabor it gets
to 45 deg celcius but at 14,000ft it is still zero degrees.

the religion of global warming is clueless because it presents the
scenario that the entire world is heating up. errr have the lapse
rates ceased to function???

credentials! the pope has credentials ....but there is no god.

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Old April 7th 07, 03:20 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Stealth Pilot wrote:


it is not about credentials.


People with credentials are not always correct, but in my experience
they are correct more often than people without. Often people without
credentials focus on some small part of a problem, unaware of the full
scope.

it is about data and its interpretation. has anyone seen the data?
al gore presents a graph of co2 but never reveals the data behind the
graph. there is no opportunity to validate or refute the data. no
opportunity to get to any of the facts.


I hope people don't make it about Al Gore. I didn't vote for him either.

one aspect of the global warming nonsense is the omission of lapse
rates in the discussion. in the hottest days on the nullabor it gets
to 45 deg celcius but at 14,000ft it is still zero degrees.


Personally, I have no idea if this is a valid point. I'm not an expert
either.
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Old April 7th 07, 03:32 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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RomeoMike writes:

People with credentials are not always correct, but in my experience
they are correct more often than people without. Often people without
credentials focus on some small part of a problem, unaware of the full
scope.


Often people with credentials adopt an opinion without a solid basis and then
attempt to impose it upon others by constantly referring to their credentials.
Their sycophants and others who agree with them will also attempt to impose
the opinion based on credentials.

Personally, I have no idea if this is a valid point. I'm not an expert
either.


I don't think it's a relevant point. The temperature drops with altitude up
to a certain point, then rises again, reaching several thousand degrees at
some altitudes. However, I don't see how this correlates at all with global
warming.

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Old April 8th 07, 01:52 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Sat, 07 Apr 2007 16:32:05 +0200, Mxsmanic
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RomeoMike writes:

People with credentials are not always correct, but in my experience
they are correct more often than people without. Often people without
credentials focus on some small part of a problem, unaware of the full
scope.


Often people with credentials adopt an opinion without a solid basis and then
attempt to impose it upon others by constantly referring to their credentials.
Their sycophants and others who agree with them will also attempt to impose
the opinion based on credentials.

Personally, I have no idea if this is a valid point. I'm not an expert
either.


I don't think it's a relevant point. The temperature drops with altitude up
to a certain point, then rises again, reaching several thousand degrees at
some altitudes. However, I don't see how this correlates at all with global
warming.


well if there is warming it is only surface warming not global
warming.
has the earth's weather ever been stable?
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Old April 8th 07, 02:19 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Stealth Pilot writes:

has the earth's weather ever been stable?


No. No planet that is any distance above absolute zero will have stable
weather.

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Old April 7th 07, 12:40 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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RomeoMike writes:

Let's see, several college courses 25 years ago. Nothing, of course, has
changed since then in terms of new scientific methods of studying
weather, no new accumulation of knowledge by those whose full-time
profession it is to study it.


It's not necessary. The impossibility of long-term forecasting is a
mathematical reality, and unavoidable. It doesn't matter what advances are
made. It cannot be done. I've already explained why.

Well, I know I'm in the minority here, but
IMHO no one in this group so far has the credentials to mount a
counter argument to the global warming theorists.


The global-warming theorists have no credentials, either. Nobody really knows
how the Earth's climate works on a global scale and over long periods. The
theorists are no more or less likely to be right than you or Jay are. In
fact, they are no more or less likely to be right than a toss of the dice.

How it affects GA is the least of my worries for my progeny.


The biggest danger for human beings over the long term is overpopulation.
That has always been true, and it always will be true, barring some natural
catastrophe on a global or galactic scale.

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