Hypoglycemia?

Mxsmanic wrote:

You may be getting ahead of things a little. It has not yet been established
that he could not pass the physical or otherwise obtain a medical, and you're
talking as though he has already failed it.

You have no ****ing clue again. Do you know that if you go into an AME
office with the intention of taking the physical (i.e., you start
filling out the application) you have started down in irrevocable path?

You can't just punt out of the medical. If for some reason you can't
pass, you can't get a sport pilot. If there is any chance you aren't
going to be able to qualify, you do WANT to act like you might fail it
and cover your bases.

Neither hypoglycemia nor floaters
are unconditionally disqualifying. It would be best to make discreet
inquiries, have his state of health assessed by a physician familiar with FAA
requirements, or ...

You don't want to bother with a physician or flight simulator wannabe
who thinks the know what is an FAA requirement. You need to talk to
people who know.

There are a handful of AME's (who know and who specialize in tricky
issuances) on the AOPA forums and the AOPA office itself. You
don't want some random doc playing with this. Just because he writes
you a letter saying that he sees no reason for your condition to
interfere with piloting MEANS SQUAT TO THE FAA.

Ron Natalie writes:

You have no ****ing clue again.

I get my clues from the FAA, so you may wish to direct your criticisms to
them.

Do you know that if you go into an AME
office with the intention of taking the physical (i.e., you start
filling out the application) you have started down in irrevocable path?

I didn't say anything about that. I simply said that it has not been
established that he cannot obtain a medical. Neither of the conditions he
mentions are unconditionally disqualifying. They are only a problem if they
interfere with his ability to fly. It has not been established that they do
so.

Thus, the possibility of getting a medical still exists, and prematurely
writing it off at this point is unwarranted.

You can't just punt out of the medical. If for some reason you can't
pass, you can't get a sport pilot. If there is any chance you aren't
going to be able to qualify, you do WANT to act like you might fail it
and cover your bases.

That prevents you from getting a PPL. Not everyone wants to be a sport pilot.
And see above--it hasn't been established that he'd fail a medical.

You don't want to bother with a physician or flight simulator wannabe
who thinks the know what is an FAA requirement. You need to talk to
people who know.

That's what I said.

There are a handful of AME's (who know and who specialize in tricky
issuances) on the AOPA forums and the AOPA office itself. You
don't want some random doc playing with this. Just because he writes
you a letter saying that he sees no reason for your condition to
interfere with piloting MEANS SQUAT TO THE FAA.

Actually, I've understood otherwise, but again, this is premature.

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There is an element of truth to Ron's statement. If an individual fills out
the FAA form but then bolts before the exam, the forms still need to be sent
to OKC. This presumably would help the FAA to identify individuals who might
have a disqualifying condition from doctor shopping.

Again, most docs, and especially those that are also pilots, would go out of
their way to help an individual submit a waiver application.

Also, since a medical application form includes a Student
Pilot certificate and a medical certificate, this is a
method of identity theft, impersonation and fraud. As a
result, doctors are required to get identification from
applicants and they must account for all forms.


"Viperdoc" wrote in message
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| There is an element of truth to Ron's statement. If an
individual fills out
| the FAA form but then bolts before the exam, the forms
still need to be sent
| to OKC. This presumably would help the FAA to identify
individuals who might
| have a disqualifying condition from doctor shopping.
|
| Again, most docs, and especially those that are also
pilots, would go out of
| their way to help an individual submit a waiver
application.
|
|

"Viperdoc" wrote in message
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There is an element of truth to Ron's statement. If an individual fills
out the FAA form but then bolts before the exam, the forms still need to
be sent to OKC. This presumably would help the FAA to identify individuals
who might have a disqualifying condition from doctor shopping.

Again, most docs, and especially those that are also pilots, would go out
of their way to help an individual submit a waiver application.


As I said above, my AME was as helpful to me as a lawyer, in navigating the
system. But like others mentioned, he did have to submit my inital form,
which simply started documenting the rejection process. But at the same time
he told me he was forced to file it, he also fully expained our game plan
for fixing the problem, and geting me back to flight status in record time.
And he did just that.

All of the AMEs I have used maintain a routine medical practice as well. Is
there any reason a pilot can't make an appointment with a public AME for a
routine physical, and discuss his condition relative to a flight physical as
well. Thus, accessing the physican's expertese prior to initiating the FAA
process for a flight physical?

It's a reasonable approach- find an AME that also has a private practice. I
would also advise someone to ask around to see who is willing to go the
extra mile to help a pilot, and the FAA lists AME's who are also pilots.

Once you start getting into waiver submissions, extra tests and
documentation start piling up, so some docs may not be enthusiastic about
doing all of this for the $80.00 or so that they charge.

Others may not primarily be a family physician- one of our busiest AME's is
also a pathologist. It would be hard to rationalize a routine visit to see
him under some other pretense!

The physical exam for a class II or III medical is pretty superficial- the
medical history is more important in identifying potentially disqualifying
defects. (also true for general exams). Failing to list known problems has a
lot of implications in case of an accident or incident.

Still, a pilot AME may be more sympathetic and helpful. Most docs are
interested in helping people keep flying, not the converse.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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Mxsmanic wrote:

You may be getting ahead of things a little. It has not yet been
established
that he could not pass the physical or otherwise obtain a medical, and
you're
talking as though he has already failed it.

You have no ****ing clue again. Do you know that if you go into an AME
office with the intention of taking the physical (i.e., you start
filling out the application) you have started down in irrevocable path?

You can't just punt out of the medical. If for some reason you can't
pass, you can't get a sport pilot. If there is any chance you aren't
going to be able to qualify, you do WANT to act like you might fail it
and cover your bases.

Neither hypoglycemia nor floaters
are unconditionally disqualifying. It would be best to make discreet
inquiries, have his state of health assessed by a physician familiar with
FAA
requirements, or ...
You don't want to bother with a physician or flight simulator wannabe who
thinks the know what is an FAA requirement. You need to talk to
people who know.

There are a handful of AME's (who know and who specialize in tricky
issuances) on the AOPA forums and the AOPA office itself. You
don't want some random doc playing with this. Just because he writes
you a letter saying that he sees no reason for your condition to
interfere with piloting MEANS SQUAT TO THE FAA.

In my case I called the FAA in OK City and asked them directly about a
medical condition I had been diagnosed with. Based on this, I bought a 1941
Taylorcraft and am happily flying sport aviation.

Danny Deger

Danny Deger writes:

In my case I called the FAA in OK City and asked them directly about a
medical condition I had been diagnosed with. Based on this, I bought a 1941
Taylorcraft and am happily flying sport aviation.

You made the decision on the basis of a single phone call? What if the person
who answered the phone wasn't exactly the correct person to ask?

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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Danny Deger writes:

In my case I called the FAA in OK City and asked them directly about a
medical condition I had been diagnosed with. Based on this, I bought a
1941
Taylorcraft and am happily flying sport aviation.

You made the decision on the basis of a single phone call? What if the
person
who answered the phone wasn't exactly the correct person to ask?


I don't want to go into any details, but the single phone call only
confirmed what I was 99% certain of before I made the call. The answer was
very clear. No medical and no waiver.

Danny Deger


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