Question for the real pilots

On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:45:43 -0700, TheSmokingGnu
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Erk. Class B clearance must always, always, always, always (always) be
given explicitly with "... cleared to enter the Class Bravo
airspace...". Any other usage isn't an implied clearance.


Not that I disagree with you, but are you able to cite FAA regulations
or orders that support your allegation?

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:45:43 -0700, TheSmokingGnu
wrote in
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Erk. Class B clearance must always, always, always, always (always) be
given explicitly with "... cleared to enter the Class Bravo
airspace...". Any other usage isn't an implied clearance.


Not that I disagree with you, but are you able to cite FAA regulations
or orders that support your allegation?

He can't. There's no rule. The controller should issue VFR clerarances
that way however. Obviously IFR clearances aren't going to sound like
that at all.

The pilot is definitely responsible for the bust, but the controller
rules also prohibit the controller from vectoring aircraft into
airspace without coordinating the transition. Of course it fails
all the time.

Ron Natalie writes:

He can't. There's no rule.

Yes, there is. A specific clearance is required, and a specific phraseology
is used.

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Larry Dighera writes:

Not that I disagree with you, but are you able to cite FAA regulations
or orders that support your allegation?

FAR 91.131(a)(1) (necessity of clearance) and 7710.65R 7-9-2(a) (approved
phraseology).

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Mxsmanic wrote in
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Larry Dighera writes:

Not that I disagree with you, but are you able to cite FAA regulations
or orders that support your allegation?

FAR 91.131(a)(1) (necessity of clearance) and 7710.65R 7-9-2(a) (approved
phraseology).

You're an idiot.


Bertie

Larry Dighera wrote:
Not that I disagree with you, but are you able to cite FAA regulations
or orders that support your allegation?

Curses! Why must my answers be answered! And by him, of all people!

Regardless, you've got your man, Friday. Book 'em, Danno, and all that.

(I'll stop now, honest)

TheSmokingGnu

On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:38:05 -0700, TheSmokingGnu
wrote in
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Regardless, you've got your man, Friday.

The issue isn't closed until Mr. McNicoll's wry analysis is indelibly
etched in electrons throughout the usenetosphere. :-)

Larry Dighera wrote:
The issue isn't closed until Mr. McNicoll's wry analysis is indelibly
etched in electrons throughout the usenetosphere. :-)

ObReadAs: rye analysis. Keep yer mitts off me samm'iches!

TheSmokingGnu