VP-2 Plans

On Apr 13, 7:58 pm, Anthony W wrote:

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If some one wants a set of VP2 plans on CD, I'll make one up and send it
to you for the cost of priority mail shipping.

With that said, back to the humor and zoom bashing. ;o)

Did Mr Evans relinquish his copyrights and release the plans into the
public domain?

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FF

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On Apr 13, 7:58 pm, Anthony W wrote:

...

If some one wants a set of VP2 plans on CD, I'll make one up and send it
to you for the cost of priority mail shipping.

With that said, back to the humor and zoom bashing. ;o)

Did Mr Evans relinquish his copyrights and release the plans into the
public domain?

I don't know the answer to that, but I did find what I believe to be a full
set online, after searching "volksplane 2 plans."

They are all JPG's, I think, so it would require a bit of "creative
interpretation" to build a plane from it, but I believe it could be done.
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Jim in NC

On 13 Apr 2007 15:05:13 -0700, wrote:

On Apr 13, 7:58 pm, Anthony W wrote:

...

If some one wants a set of VP2 plans on CD, I'll make one up and send it
to you for the cost of priority mail shipping.

With that said, back to the humor and zoom bashing. ;o)

Did Mr Evans relinquish his copyrights and release the plans into the
public domain?

I think Mr. Evans was concerned with the less than adequate
performance of the VP-2 and quit selling the plans to avoid liability.

On Apr 14, 5:53 am, Ed Sullivan wrote:
On 13 Apr 2007 15:05:13 -0700, wrote:

On Apr 13, 7:58 pm, Anthony W wrote:

...

If some one wants a set of VP2 plans on CD, I'll make one up and send it
to you for the cost of priority mail shipping.

With that said, back to the humor and zoom bashing. ;o)

Did Mr Evans relinquish his copyrights and release the plans into the
public domain?

I think Mr. Evans was concerned with the less than adequate
performance of the VP-2 and quit selling the plans to avoid liability.

That is also my understanding, which is why I suppose it is
unlikely that he would relinquish his rights or authorize others
to publish them.

Courts can order that infringing copies be destroyed. How
closely you would have to follow the plans to infringe on them
I don't know. It'd be a bummer to watch the sheriff's deputies
feed your airplane into a wood chipper.

More to the point, the inventor doesn't want people to build
them. That is probably worth noting.

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FF

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a copywrite last for
a certain amount of time then it has to be renewed? If not
renewed in time, it becomes public domain.
Lou

On 14 Apr 2007 09:16:57 -0700, "Lou" wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a copywrite last for
a certain amount of time then it has to be renewed? If not
renewed in time, it becomes public domain.

Yes, but the period is at least 75 years past the death of the author.

The authors certainly can release them to public domain well before that. I
wrote a commercial flight simulator game about 25 years back, and upon a polite
query about five years ago, provided just such a written release. When another
guy asked for a PDF file of the manual, I put the release inside the front
cover:

http://www.wanttaja.com/IFR.pdf

It doesn't make any difference for a VIC-20 flight simulator, but I'm not sure
whether one can shed legal liability for an aircraft design by making it public
domain. However, IIRC, the canard folks market a CD-ROM with complete Long-EZ
plans on it, and I suspect that if Rutan was worried, he could easily stop them.

Ron Wanttaja

On Apr 14, 4:42 pm, Ron Wanttaja wrote:
On 14 Apr 2007 09:16:57 -0700, "Lou" wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a copywrite last for
a certain amount of time then it has to be renewed? If not
renewed in time, it becomes public domain.

Yes, but the period is at least 75 years past the death of the author.

But there is no longer such a thing as renewal.


The authors certainly can release them to public domain well before that. I
wrote a commercial flight simulator game about 25 years back, and upon a polite
query about five years ago, provided just such a written release. When another
guy asked for a PDF file of the manual, I put the release inside the front
cover:

http://www.wanttaja.com/IFR.pdf

It doesn't make any difference for a VIC-20 flight simulator, but I'm not sure
whether one can shed legal liability for an aircraft design by making it public
domain. However, IIRC, the canard folks market a CD-ROM with complete Long-EZ
plans on it, and I suspect that if Rutan was worried, he could easily stop them.


I would suspect that he would have a better defense if he reserved
his rights. That would be a proactive step to prevent an accident.

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FF

On 14 Apr 2007 13:59:56 -0700, wrote:

On Apr 14, 4:42 pm, Ron Wanttaja wrote:
On 14 Apr 2007 09:16:57 -0700, "Lou" wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a copywrite last for
a certain amount of time then it has to be renewed? If not
renewed in time, it becomes public domain.

Yes, but the period is at least 75 years past the death of the author.

But there is no longer such a thing as renewal.

They've made other changes to allow owners to prevent works from lapsing into
the public domain. The copyright on many of Disney's cartoon characters was due
to expire, and you can be sure the company won't let *that* happen....

Ron Wanttaja

"Ron Wanttaja" wrote in message
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On 14 Apr 2007 09:16:57 -0700, "Lou" wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a copywrite last for
a certain amount of time then it has to be renewed? If not
renewed in time, it becomes public domain.

Yes, but the period is at least 75 years past the death of the author.

The authors certainly can release them to public domain well before that.
I
wrote a commercial flight simulator game about 25 years back, and upon a
polite
query about five years ago, provided just such a written release. When
another
guy asked for a PDF file of the manual, I put the release inside the front
cover:

http://www.wanttaja.com/IFR.pdf

It doesn't make any difference for a VIC-20 flight simulator, but I'm not
sure
whether one can shed legal liability for an aircraft design by making it
public
domain. However, IIRC, the canard folks market a CD-ROM with complete
Long-EZ
plans on it, and I suspect that if Rutan was worried, he could easily stop
them.

Ron Wanttaja

I don't recall where, but I seem to recall that someone sued Burt Rutan
following an accident in either a VariEze or LongEze. According to the
story, Rutan won the case but was sufficiently annoyed that he discontinued
any association with plans sales.

OTOH, the issue of "Pirate Plans" seems to have gained a lot of amateur
advocacy based on the controversy over [millions of] copies of recorded
music. I am not sure how much of that is applicable to aircraft plans; but
I do have a practical, rather than legal, pair of suggestions:
1) If the plans are no longer available from either the original source,
or a successor, you really should thing about whether the project makes
sense. For example; if the plans were withdrawn because the designer had
doubts regarding the continued availability of a critical component, such as
a preferred engine; then perhaps you should share his doubts. You will be
stepping into the design, support and test pilot roles; after the original
designer gave up.
2) If the plans are still available and supported; then buy them! If you
place any value on your time, then even marginal support will more than pay
you back.

Peter
Just my $0.02

"Peter Dohm" wrote

I don't recall where, but I seem to recall that someone sued Burt Rutan
following an accident in either a VariEze or LongEze. According to the
story, Rutan won the case but was sufficiently annoyed that he
discontinued
any association with plans sales.

Do you suppose that he won't be putting out the plans for Spaceship One? g
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Jim in NC