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Mxsmanic wrote:
Rip writes: About 200 hours aerobatics with smoke. No skywriting? What skywriting have YOU done? None. But you've sure blown a lot of smoke! By the way, where's the reliable reference for the "all wake descends" statement you made earlier? Rip |
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Rip writes: Please provide a reliable reference for that staement. Every reference I can find mentions it. Quote one. Rip |
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Mxsmanic,
Flight Simulator allows me to put theory into practice, mainly. Another priceless gem! What practice??? -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Mxsmanic,
Steep turns tend to be descending turns. Why does anyone bother arguing with this idiot? Please! -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Thomas Borchert wrote:
Mxsmanic, Steep turns tend to be descending turns. Why does anyone bother arguing with this idiot? Please! No, no, Thomas. He's right, but you have to force fit your mental processes into a replica of his very limited ones. As everyone else but Anthony knows, steep turns do indeed TEND to be descending turns, unless specific action is taken to remain at a constant altitude. The fact that any competent pilot can complete a 360 within 10 feet of the initial altitude seems to escape him. Unfortunately, Anthony cannot make the simple leap from assuming his vaunted "research" is correct, even though it provides the wrong answer, to asking himself, "Let me assume that the empirical experiments conducted by hundreds of thousands of real world pilots provide hypothetical proof that an aircraft, completing a 360 degree turn at a constant altitude, can indeed run through its own wake. What new assumptions must I make to make this so, and how can I verify those assumptions?" That's how science works. Anthony thinks it's done by referring to un-quotable armchair research about very restricted, generally incorrect assumptions on his part. Then, when he is wrong, he becomes repetitive, pedantic, and frustrated. Oh well. The entire thread has forced me to ask myself just what the wake behind an aircraft looks like. Like every other pilot, I know you can intercept your own wake during a constant altitude turn, but it would be neat to be able to SEE all of the air masses at work. Modern computation isn't up to the task of separating out all of the variables involved. Which is why a simulator, any simulator, is a very limited substitute for reality. Poor Anthony. Rip |
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mike regish writes:
We have. Rising air. It happens all the time over the plowed cornfields I fly over. The plane doesn't also rise with the air because we are maintaining out altitude above the ground. Therefore you are descending into your wake. QED. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Mxsmanic wrote:
JB writes: You are such an idiot! Probably every GA pilot-in-training with a C152/172 or something similar has experienced hitting their own wake when performing their first steep turn with an instructor. Steep turns tend to be descending turns. Anthony, this is exactly why you antagonize so many people in the aviation forums. *Every* pilot (at least in the US) learns steep turns in the context of the FAA's practical test standard. That's a steep turn while holding your altitude +/- 100 feet. In reality, we train to hold the altitude constant during the turn, so that involves modulated back pressure on the stick and probably more throttle. http://www.faa.gov/education_researc...S-8081-14A.pdf PDF page 48. Your original response would possibly meaningful on a simulator forum. On a flying forum, you should understand your lack of background and context before posting presumptuous statements. |
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Maxwell wrote:
Anthony, I'm actually beginning to feel sorry for you. I believe that you have real, diagnosable mental issues. I can assure you he does. He has proven it beyond a reasoanble doubt on far too many occasions. And yet there are still over 50 posts in this thread encouraging his behavior. Good job guys. He owns you. John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180) -- Message posted via AviationKB.com http://www.aviationkb.com/Uwe/Forums...ation/200704/1 |
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I don't know if he "cannot" or will not or just wants to get under
everyone's skin. What you say in this post is correct. But why do people keep responding and arguing ad nauseum with someone who can't or won't get it? What's the dynamic? I doubt that there has ever been a pilot who has not flown into his own wake in a constant altitude 360. So this is not a topic that one pilot needs to prove to another pilot with a different opinion. Rip wrote: Unfortunately, Anthony cannot make the simple leap from assuming his vaunted "research" is correct, even though it provides the wrong answer, to asking himself, "Let me assume that the empirical experiments conducted by hundreds of thousands of real world pilots provide hypothetical proof that an aircraft, completing a 360 degree turn at a constant altitude, can indeed run through its own wake. What new assumptions must I make to make this so, and how can I verify those assumptions?" |
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On Apr 16, 3:06 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
mike regish writes: We have. Rising air. It happens all the time over the plowed cornfields I fly over. The plane doesn't also rise with the air because we are maintaining out altitude above the ground. Therefore you are descending into your wake. QED. What part of "maintaining our altitude" sounds like "descending" to you? |
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